Could every Hausdorff space be induced by a total order relation
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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?
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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?
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What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
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What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
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@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
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@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?
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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?
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What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
4
What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
1
@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
1
@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
6 hours ago
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What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
4
What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
1
@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
1
@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
6 hours ago
What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
4
4
What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
1
1
@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
1
1
@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
6 hours ago
@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
6 hours ago
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A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.
Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
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One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:
- Sorgenfrey line is not orderable
An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.
Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$
Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
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2 Answers
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A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.
Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
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10
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A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.
Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
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A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.
Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.
A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.
Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.
answered 12 hours ago
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11 hours ago
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Thank you so much.
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11 hours ago
Thank you so much.
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11 hours ago
Thank you so much.
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One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:
- Sorgenfrey line is not orderable
An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.
Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$
Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:
- Sorgenfrey line is not orderable
An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.
Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$
Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.
Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
9
down vote
up vote
9
down vote
One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:
- Sorgenfrey line is not orderable
An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.
Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$
Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.
One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:
- Sorgenfrey line is not orderable
An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.
Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$
Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.
answered 11 hours ago
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11 hours ago
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What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
12 hours ago
4
What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
11 hours ago
@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
11 hours ago
1
@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
7 hours ago
1
@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
6 hours ago