Bringing Hot and Cold climates together
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I'm building a map for a tabletop RPG (Pathfinder specifically), the aim of which is that my players will be trekking around and visiting interesting places. As part of that, I'd love to portray a bunch of exotic climates, such as deserts, jungles and tundra (to name a few). However, on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart, which is a long way to force my characters to walk.
Thus my question, what rules do I need to follow, be it manipulating elevation, weather patterns, placement of oceans/mountains, etc, in order to bring my hot and cold climates as close together as possible?
As this is a fantasy world, some Suspension of Disbelief or magic can be used, but I want to avoid any jarring revelations as much as possible.
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I'm building a map for a tabletop RPG (Pathfinder specifically), the aim of which is that my players will be trekking around and visiting interesting places. As part of that, I'd love to portray a bunch of exotic climates, such as deserts, jungles and tundra (to name a few). However, on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart, which is a long way to force my characters to walk.
Thus my question, what rules do I need to follow, be it manipulating elevation, weather patterns, placement of oceans/mountains, etc, in order to bring my hot and cold climates as close together as possible?
As this is a fantasy world, some Suspension of Disbelief or magic can be used, but I want to avoid any jarring revelations as much as possible.
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Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
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I'm building a map for a tabletop RPG (Pathfinder specifically), the aim of which is that my players will be trekking around and visiting interesting places. As part of that, I'd love to portray a bunch of exotic climates, such as deserts, jungles and tundra (to name a few). However, on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart, which is a long way to force my characters to walk.
Thus my question, what rules do I need to follow, be it manipulating elevation, weather patterns, placement of oceans/mountains, etc, in order to bring my hot and cold climates as close together as possible?
As this is a fantasy world, some Suspension of Disbelief or magic can be used, but I want to avoid any jarring revelations as much as possible.
science-based climate map-making
I'm building a map for a tabletop RPG (Pathfinder specifically), the aim of which is that my players will be trekking around and visiting interesting places. As part of that, I'd love to portray a bunch of exotic climates, such as deserts, jungles and tundra (to name a few). However, on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart, which is a long way to force my characters to walk.
Thus my question, what rules do I need to follow, be it manipulating elevation, weather patterns, placement of oceans/mountains, etc, in order to bring my hot and cold climates as close together as possible?
As this is a fantasy world, some Suspension of Disbelief or magic can be used, but I want to avoid any jarring revelations as much as possible.
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Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
10 hours ago
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
– Kyyshak
10 hours ago
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Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
– Dubukay
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
10 hours ago
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
– Kyyshak
10 hours ago
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Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
– Dubukay
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
– Kyyshak
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
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Mountains
In Peru (for example) Cusco is at 3400 meters elevation. The average year-round temps is 12 C, the average low is close to freezing, and it has historically been below freezing every month of the year. Frost and hail are common in all months (although snow accumulation is rare)
Meanwhile only 90 km away, is Pillcopata, Peru, at 500 meters, in the heart of the Amazon. Average year-round temps are 24 C; there is a mini-'winter' in May-July, but the other months have an average high of 30 C. It rains year-round, monsoonally in the summer, about 3000 mm per year, which is three times what New York City would see. It looks like this:
There are plenty of other examples around the world. Elevation will solve all your heat vs cold problems. Snowy mountain highlands can be just a day or two's travel away from steamy jungles. Other examples that I could have added would put cool temperate forests in the mountains above hot deserts (as in Central Asia or the southern Great Basin) or misty forested hills above sweltering fertile plains (like Sichuan province in China, or the upper Ganges Basin in India).
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I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
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For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
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Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
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My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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Geothermal springs can create a warm, lush forested region in the valley of a frozen mountain range, just as natural springs can create a large oasis in a desert. I suppose it would be possible for strong ocean currents to reliably carry large icebergs from a polar region to the beaches of a tropical region, and thus support cold-weather flora and fauna in the waters and on land year-round.
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on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart.
If you drop the jungle from the requirement, you only need to walk 1/3 of that.
You could wander from the Mojave desert in California all the way north to the temperate rain forrest from Washington. A little further north and you get tundra in British Columbia, I think.
If you still want that jungle you can handwave it with magic. Terraria and other videogames have underground jungles and nobody complains about that... Kinda adds to the whole magical and fantastic theme.
Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
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Have strange ocean & wind flows.
Possible causes for strange ocean flows :
- Extreme version of deep sea "volcanos"/smokers :
Possible causes for strange wind flows & climate :
Astronomical configuration : have multiple suns, or multiple other planets leading to a complex lighting of your planet; some parts would receive more sunlight, thus be hotter, and others would be in the shadows. Your planet could also be small(or even a moon) and spin around strangely.
As already mentioned : Height differences
- Expanding on this point : Mountain Ranges - Imagine a valley surrounded by high mountains. The climate in it can be totally different from the outside; for instance, rain clouds would be raining over the mountains and "filling" the valley
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Bring the glaciers closer to the equator
Since you're not confined to Earth or Earth-like geological parameters, you can do whatever you want.
Ways to achieve close geographical proximity of wildly varying climate zones
- Bring the glaciers closer to the equator. While climate and ice sheets are linked, since we are designing a planet to do what we want. Just plunk down some ice sheets over the large land masses. This will increase the steepness of the thermocline from its maximum at the equator to arctic wastelands.
- Reduce the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases. This feeds into the mass glaciation but also decreases the amount of heat that the atmosphere can hold.
Effects of these Changes
Since the glaciers come so far south/north, they push the tundra ahead of them. This overall compresses the distance required to go from tropical temperatures to arctic conditions.
At the equator, start with lush jungles. Temperatures are high because of the strong solar heating. Further north where solar illumination is weaker, temperatures start to cool. Temperate forests and cooler rain forests would appear in this zone. Still further north would be desert conditions where the descending air from the tropical Hadley Cell descends carrying relatively moisture free air. Beyond the warm dry zone, temperatures will continue to fall to tundra then arctic conditions.
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Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
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Mountains
In Peru (for example) Cusco is at 3400 meters elevation. The average year-round temps is 12 C, the average low is close to freezing, and it has historically been below freezing every month of the year. Frost and hail are common in all months (although snow accumulation is rare)
Meanwhile only 90 km away, is Pillcopata, Peru, at 500 meters, in the heart of the Amazon. Average year-round temps are 24 C; there is a mini-'winter' in May-July, but the other months have an average high of 30 C. It rains year-round, monsoonally in the summer, about 3000 mm per year, which is three times what New York City would see. It looks like this:
There are plenty of other examples around the world. Elevation will solve all your heat vs cold problems. Snowy mountain highlands can be just a day or two's travel away from steamy jungles. Other examples that I could have added would put cool temperate forests in the mountains above hot deserts (as in Central Asia or the southern Great Basin) or misty forested hills above sweltering fertile plains (like Sichuan province in China, or the upper Ganges Basin in India).
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I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
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For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
1
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
1
My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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Mountains
In Peru (for example) Cusco is at 3400 meters elevation. The average year-round temps is 12 C, the average low is close to freezing, and it has historically been below freezing every month of the year. Frost and hail are common in all months (although snow accumulation is rare)
Meanwhile only 90 km away, is Pillcopata, Peru, at 500 meters, in the heart of the Amazon. Average year-round temps are 24 C; there is a mini-'winter' in May-July, but the other months have an average high of 30 C. It rains year-round, monsoonally in the summer, about 3000 mm per year, which is three times what New York City would see. It looks like this:
There are plenty of other examples around the world. Elevation will solve all your heat vs cold problems. Snowy mountain highlands can be just a day or two's travel away from steamy jungles. Other examples that I could have added would put cool temperate forests in the mountains above hot deserts (as in Central Asia or the southern Great Basin) or misty forested hills above sweltering fertile plains (like Sichuan province in China, or the upper Ganges Basin in India).
10
I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
3
For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
1
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
1
My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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Mountains
In Peru (for example) Cusco is at 3400 meters elevation. The average year-round temps is 12 C, the average low is close to freezing, and it has historically been below freezing every month of the year. Frost and hail are common in all months (although snow accumulation is rare)
Meanwhile only 90 km away, is Pillcopata, Peru, at 500 meters, in the heart of the Amazon. Average year-round temps are 24 C; there is a mini-'winter' in May-July, but the other months have an average high of 30 C. It rains year-round, monsoonally in the summer, about 3000 mm per year, which is three times what New York City would see. It looks like this:
There are plenty of other examples around the world. Elevation will solve all your heat vs cold problems. Snowy mountain highlands can be just a day or two's travel away from steamy jungles. Other examples that I could have added would put cool temperate forests in the mountains above hot deserts (as in Central Asia or the southern Great Basin) or misty forested hills above sweltering fertile plains (like Sichuan province in China, or the upper Ganges Basin in India).
Mountains
In Peru (for example) Cusco is at 3400 meters elevation. The average year-round temps is 12 C, the average low is close to freezing, and it has historically been below freezing every month of the year. Frost and hail are common in all months (although snow accumulation is rare)
Meanwhile only 90 km away, is Pillcopata, Peru, at 500 meters, in the heart of the Amazon. Average year-round temps are 24 C; there is a mini-'winter' in May-July, but the other months have an average high of 30 C. It rains year-round, monsoonally in the summer, about 3000 mm per year, which is three times what New York City would see. It looks like this:
There are plenty of other examples around the world. Elevation will solve all your heat vs cold problems. Snowy mountain highlands can be just a day or two's travel away from steamy jungles. Other examples that I could have added would put cool temperate forests in the mountains above hot deserts (as in Central Asia or the southern Great Basin) or misty forested hills above sweltering fertile plains (like Sichuan province in China, or the upper Ganges Basin in India).
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I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
3
For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
1
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
1
My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
3
For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
1
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
1
My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
I'd recommend an addition to your answer. If you go a little ways (200 miles?) south of Cusco, you'll find the Pacific coast deserts, which ticks another check on his list.
– Adam Miller
9 hours ago
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For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
For another example of this: Hawaii has almost all the classic climate zones, missing only permafrost - and this is on just a single mountain. The combination of a slope to produce a rain shadow, and a high elevation to reduce temperatures, gives quite a lot of climate variation.
– Skyler
8 hours ago
1
1
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
Or where I live (east side of the Sierra Nevada): I can hike from sagebrush desert through mixed pine forest, mountain meadows, and alpine tundra, in a single day.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
1
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My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
My first thought was elevation too. You could have a high cold arid plateau like the Altiplano, then down at sea-level you could have lush rainforests. Plus, if your elevated region is oriented north-south, you could have great variation in temperature from one end to the other.
– Arkenstein XII
7 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
Definitely mountains. I visited some friends who lived halfway up a mountain near Geneva. I remember there being bright sunshine, snow, rain and heavy mist all in the same day and at the same spot.
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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Geothermal springs can create a warm, lush forested region in the valley of a frozen mountain range, just as natural springs can create a large oasis in a desert. I suppose it would be possible for strong ocean currents to reliably carry large icebergs from a polar region to the beaches of a tropical region, and thus support cold-weather flora and fauna in the waters and on land year-round.
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Geothermal springs can create a warm, lush forested region in the valley of a frozen mountain range, just as natural springs can create a large oasis in a desert. I suppose it would be possible for strong ocean currents to reliably carry large icebergs from a polar region to the beaches of a tropical region, and thus support cold-weather flora and fauna in the waters and on land year-round.
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Geothermal springs can create a warm, lush forested region in the valley of a frozen mountain range, just as natural springs can create a large oasis in a desert. I suppose it would be possible for strong ocean currents to reliably carry large icebergs from a polar region to the beaches of a tropical region, and thus support cold-weather flora and fauna in the waters and on land year-round.
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Geothermal springs can create a warm, lush forested region in the valley of a frozen mountain range, just as natural springs can create a large oasis in a desert. I suppose it would be possible for strong ocean currents to reliably carry large icebergs from a polar region to the beaches of a tropical region, and thus support cold-weather flora and fauna in the waters and on land year-round.
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on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart.
If you drop the jungle from the requirement, you only need to walk 1/3 of that.
You could wander from the Mojave desert in California all the way north to the temperate rain forrest from Washington. A little further north and you get tundra in British Columbia, I think.
If you still want that jungle you can handwave it with magic. Terraria and other videogames have underground jungles and nobody complains about that... Kinda adds to the whole magical and fantastic theme.
Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
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on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart.
If you drop the jungle from the requirement, you only need to walk 1/3 of that.
You could wander from the Mojave desert in California all the way north to the temperate rain forrest from Washington. A little further north and you get tundra in British Columbia, I think.
If you still want that jungle you can handwave it with magic. Terraria and other videogames have underground jungles and nobody complains about that... Kinda adds to the whole magical and fantastic theme.
Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
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@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
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on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart.
If you drop the jungle from the requirement, you only need to walk 1/3 of that.
You could wander from the Mojave desert in California all the way north to the temperate rain forrest from Washington. A little further north and you get tundra in British Columbia, I think.
If you still want that jungle you can handwave it with magic. Terraria and other videogames have underground jungles and nobody complains about that... Kinda adds to the whole magical and fantastic theme.
on Earth, the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle are almost 3,000 miles apart.
If you drop the jungle from the requirement, you only need to walk 1/3 of that.
You could wander from the Mojave desert in California all the way north to the temperate rain forrest from Washington. A little further north and you get tundra in British Columbia, I think.
If you still want that jungle you can handwave it with magic. Terraria and other videogames have underground jungles and nobody complains about that... Kinda adds to the whole magical and fantastic theme.
answered 10 hours ago
Renan
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Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
1
@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
3
@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
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Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
1
@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
3
@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
Just a note - the Google Map is reporting the driving time. If you’re walking, it’ll take closer to 16 days of continuous effort or something like a month including sleeping and foraging.
– Dubukay
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
@Dubukay I only included it for the distance.
– Renan
10 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
Can you give any information as to why the Majove Desert and Washington Forest have formed relatively close? I don't need specific maths, just enough that I can produce a similar system
– Kyyshak
9 hours ago
1
1
@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
@Kyyshak I don't have that on me. I know of manh other examples, though... The Sahara, for example, is just north of the african rain forest and right next to them, if you look from above. And Brazil has deserts right next to temperate forests. As a hunch I believe the Mojave is a desert because the winds drive rain clouds away from it, and it's hot because of its latitude, but my geography only goes so deep. I encourage you to research and find out more, though.
– Renan
9 hours ago
3
3
@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
@Kyyshak: Rain shadow. You don't even need to go to Washington for rain forest, the North Coast of California (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks ) is plenty wet enough. The prevailing winds bring moist air off the Pacific: orographic lift from the Coast Range cause much of the moisture to precipitate, leaving the Central Valley mostly dry. Then the higher Sierra Nevada wrings out much of the remaining moisture, leaving the areas to the east mostly desert.
– jamesqf
8 hours ago
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Have strange ocean & wind flows.
Possible causes for strange ocean flows :
- Extreme version of deep sea "volcanos"/smokers :
Possible causes for strange wind flows & climate :
Astronomical configuration : have multiple suns, or multiple other planets leading to a complex lighting of your planet; some parts would receive more sunlight, thus be hotter, and others would be in the shadows. Your planet could also be small(or even a moon) and spin around strangely.
As already mentioned : Height differences
- Expanding on this point : Mountain Ranges - Imagine a valley surrounded by high mountains. The climate in it can be totally different from the outside; for instance, rain clouds would be raining over the mountains and "filling" the valley
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up vote
2
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Have strange ocean & wind flows.
Possible causes for strange ocean flows :
- Extreme version of deep sea "volcanos"/smokers :
Possible causes for strange wind flows & climate :
Astronomical configuration : have multiple suns, or multiple other planets leading to a complex lighting of your planet; some parts would receive more sunlight, thus be hotter, and others would be in the shadows. Your planet could also be small(or even a moon) and spin around strangely.
As already mentioned : Height differences
- Expanding on this point : Mountain Ranges - Imagine a valley surrounded by high mountains. The climate in it can be totally different from the outside; for instance, rain clouds would be raining over the mountains and "filling" the valley
add a comment |
up vote
2
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up vote
2
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Have strange ocean & wind flows.
Possible causes for strange ocean flows :
- Extreme version of deep sea "volcanos"/smokers :
Possible causes for strange wind flows & climate :
Astronomical configuration : have multiple suns, or multiple other planets leading to a complex lighting of your planet; some parts would receive more sunlight, thus be hotter, and others would be in the shadows. Your planet could also be small(or even a moon) and spin around strangely.
As already mentioned : Height differences
- Expanding on this point : Mountain Ranges - Imagine a valley surrounded by high mountains. The climate in it can be totally different from the outside; for instance, rain clouds would be raining over the mountains and "filling" the valley
Have strange ocean & wind flows.
Possible causes for strange ocean flows :
- Extreme version of deep sea "volcanos"/smokers :
Possible causes for strange wind flows & climate :
Astronomical configuration : have multiple suns, or multiple other planets leading to a complex lighting of your planet; some parts would receive more sunlight, thus be hotter, and others would be in the shadows. Your planet could also be small(or even a moon) and spin around strangely.
As already mentioned : Height differences
- Expanding on this point : Mountain Ranges - Imagine a valley surrounded by high mountains. The climate in it can be totally different from the outside; for instance, rain clouds would be raining over the mountains and "filling" the valley
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LMD
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Bring the glaciers closer to the equator
Since you're not confined to Earth or Earth-like geological parameters, you can do whatever you want.
Ways to achieve close geographical proximity of wildly varying climate zones
- Bring the glaciers closer to the equator. While climate and ice sheets are linked, since we are designing a planet to do what we want. Just plunk down some ice sheets over the large land masses. This will increase the steepness of the thermocline from its maximum at the equator to arctic wastelands.
- Reduce the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases. This feeds into the mass glaciation but also decreases the amount of heat that the atmosphere can hold.
Effects of these Changes
Since the glaciers come so far south/north, they push the tundra ahead of them. This overall compresses the distance required to go from tropical temperatures to arctic conditions.
At the equator, start with lush jungles. Temperatures are high because of the strong solar heating. Further north where solar illumination is weaker, temperatures start to cool. Temperate forests and cooler rain forests would appear in this zone. Still further north would be desert conditions where the descending air from the tropical Hadley Cell descends carrying relatively moisture free air. Beyond the warm dry zone, temperatures will continue to fall to tundra then arctic conditions.
1
Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
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up vote
2
down vote
Bring the glaciers closer to the equator
Since you're not confined to Earth or Earth-like geological parameters, you can do whatever you want.
Ways to achieve close geographical proximity of wildly varying climate zones
- Bring the glaciers closer to the equator. While climate and ice sheets are linked, since we are designing a planet to do what we want. Just plunk down some ice sheets over the large land masses. This will increase the steepness of the thermocline from its maximum at the equator to arctic wastelands.
- Reduce the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases. This feeds into the mass glaciation but also decreases the amount of heat that the atmosphere can hold.
Effects of these Changes
Since the glaciers come so far south/north, they push the tundra ahead of them. This overall compresses the distance required to go from tropical temperatures to arctic conditions.
At the equator, start with lush jungles. Temperatures are high because of the strong solar heating. Further north where solar illumination is weaker, temperatures start to cool. Temperate forests and cooler rain forests would appear in this zone. Still further north would be desert conditions where the descending air from the tropical Hadley Cell descends carrying relatively moisture free air. Beyond the warm dry zone, temperatures will continue to fall to tundra then arctic conditions.
1
Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Bring the glaciers closer to the equator
Since you're not confined to Earth or Earth-like geological parameters, you can do whatever you want.
Ways to achieve close geographical proximity of wildly varying climate zones
- Bring the glaciers closer to the equator. While climate and ice sheets are linked, since we are designing a planet to do what we want. Just plunk down some ice sheets over the large land masses. This will increase the steepness of the thermocline from its maximum at the equator to arctic wastelands.
- Reduce the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases. This feeds into the mass glaciation but also decreases the amount of heat that the atmosphere can hold.
Effects of these Changes
Since the glaciers come so far south/north, they push the tundra ahead of them. This overall compresses the distance required to go from tropical temperatures to arctic conditions.
At the equator, start with lush jungles. Temperatures are high because of the strong solar heating. Further north where solar illumination is weaker, temperatures start to cool. Temperate forests and cooler rain forests would appear in this zone. Still further north would be desert conditions where the descending air from the tropical Hadley Cell descends carrying relatively moisture free air. Beyond the warm dry zone, temperatures will continue to fall to tundra then arctic conditions.
Bring the glaciers closer to the equator
Since you're not confined to Earth or Earth-like geological parameters, you can do whatever you want.
Ways to achieve close geographical proximity of wildly varying climate zones
- Bring the glaciers closer to the equator. While climate and ice sheets are linked, since we are designing a planet to do what we want. Just plunk down some ice sheets over the large land masses. This will increase the steepness of the thermocline from its maximum at the equator to arctic wastelands.
- Reduce the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases. This feeds into the mass glaciation but also decreases the amount of heat that the atmosphere can hold.
Effects of these Changes
Since the glaciers come so far south/north, they push the tundra ahead of them. This overall compresses the distance required to go from tropical temperatures to arctic conditions.
At the equator, start with lush jungles. Temperatures are high because of the strong solar heating. Further north where solar illumination is weaker, temperatures start to cool. Temperate forests and cooler rain forests would appear in this zone. Still further north would be desert conditions where the descending air from the tropical Hadley Cell descends carrying relatively moisture free air. Beyond the warm dry zone, temperatures will continue to fall to tundra then arctic conditions.
edited 5 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
Green
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Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
add a comment |
1
Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
1
1
Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
Glaciers are a product of the climate, not a cause of it. It's not clear what you mean by "bring the glaciers closer to the equator". Are you saying just plop down a few ice sheets, somehow expand the arctic region, or something else?
– Nuclear Wang
7 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang We're designing a planet from scratch. We can make the climate and ice sheets to be whatever we want. I'm advocating plunking down ice sheets where ever we need them to be.
– Green
5 hours ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
@NuclearWang If glaciers advance due to an Ice Age, then the ice age abates and global temperature rise, there is a hundreds to thousands of years gap where the ice still has to melt. This could be a (non-stable) way to make this happen?
– kingledion
1 hour ago
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Hmm. I don’t suppose portals are an option?
– Dubukay
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@dubukay GLaDOS likes the way you think.
– Renan
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@Dubukay, whilst I love the out-of-box solution, unfortunately it won't work in this particular case.
– Kyyshak
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