What causes water to take spherical shape in space?
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When water is poured out in space, why does it always take a spherical ball-like shape?
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Minimizing energy. If there is a small amount of water, then surface tension wants to try and minimize the surface area of it, and the minimum surface area for a given volume material is a sphere. For really large volumes of water (if you, for instance, sucked all the water out of the oceans and placed it somewhere far away in space in the standard mad-scientist way), then you also get a sphere, but for a different reason: the mass of water wants to minimize its (self-)gravitational potential energy and this is also done when it is spherical. If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical: this is one of the reasons the Moon has a slightly odd shape, for instance.
In between these two regimes -- if you had a few thousand gallons of water for instance, then although it would eventually end up spherical in the absence of other influences, this would take a very long time.
"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
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No, it's not because of gravity. You need to take quite a lot of water in order for gravitational effects to become significant.
It's because of surface tension. Sphere is a shape which minimizes the surface for a given volume. The surface-tension-related potential energy of the water is proportional to the surface, so spherical shape minimizes the potential energy.
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Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
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What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
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@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
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Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
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I’m sure that a chemist could give a deeper answer. Or from Wikipedia we get, the surface tension occurs because water has hydrogen bonding.
Because of its polarity, a molecule of water in the liquid or solid state can form up to four hydrogen bonds with neighboring molecules. These bonds are the cause of water's high surface tension and capillary forces.
The key are the 4 possible hydrogen bonds to other water molecules of liquid water. The water molecules are bonded to each other like a free dimensional mesh.
Heating water, the water could be sprayed out in space to small pieces of course. The hydrogen bonds are weak (compared to metallic bonds) and under the influence of heat transfer the kinetic energy of the water molecules increases and the hydrogen bonds get broken.
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Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
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Thanks for adding the the H bond piece. When H2O is discussed the H bonds need always discussed. For the previous answers... well, good stuff yes. Aside from the pragmatic human behavior implications of molecules. They don't have a choice, period.
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Minimizing energy. If there is a small amount of water, then surface tension wants to try and minimize the surface area of it, and the minimum surface area for a given volume material is a sphere. For really large volumes of water (if you, for instance, sucked all the water out of the oceans and placed it somewhere far away in space in the standard mad-scientist way), then you also get a sphere, but for a different reason: the mass of water wants to minimize its (self-)gravitational potential energy and this is also done when it is spherical. If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical: this is one of the reasons the Moon has a slightly odd shape, for instance.
In between these two regimes -- if you had a few thousand gallons of water for instance, then although it would eventually end up spherical in the absence of other influences, this would take a very long time.
"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
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Minimizing energy. If there is a small amount of water, then surface tension wants to try and minimize the surface area of it, and the minimum surface area for a given volume material is a sphere. For really large volumes of water (if you, for instance, sucked all the water out of the oceans and placed it somewhere far away in space in the standard mad-scientist way), then you also get a sphere, but for a different reason: the mass of water wants to minimize its (self-)gravitational potential energy and this is also done when it is spherical. If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical: this is one of the reasons the Moon has a slightly odd shape, for instance.
In between these two regimes -- if you had a few thousand gallons of water for instance, then although it would eventually end up spherical in the absence of other influences, this would take a very long time.
"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
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up vote
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Minimizing energy. If there is a small amount of water, then surface tension wants to try and minimize the surface area of it, and the minimum surface area for a given volume material is a sphere. For really large volumes of water (if you, for instance, sucked all the water out of the oceans and placed it somewhere far away in space in the standard mad-scientist way), then you also get a sphere, but for a different reason: the mass of water wants to minimize its (self-)gravitational potential energy and this is also done when it is spherical. If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical: this is one of the reasons the Moon has a slightly odd shape, for instance.
In between these two regimes -- if you had a few thousand gallons of water for instance, then although it would eventually end up spherical in the absence of other influences, this would take a very long time.
Minimizing energy. If there is a small amount of water, then surface tension wants to try and minimize the surface area of it, and the minimum surface area for a given volume material is a sphere. For really large volumes of water (if you, for instance, sucked all the water out of the oceans and placed it somewhere far away in space in the standard mad-scientist way), then you also get a sphere, but for a different reason: the mass of water wants to minimize its (self-)gravitational potential energy and this is also done when it is spherical. If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical: this is one of the reasons the Moon has a slightly odd shape, for instance.
In between these two regimes -- if you had a few thousand gallons of water for instance, then although it would eventually end up spherical in the absence of other influences, this would take a very long time.
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"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
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"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
"If such a volume is in the presence of external gravitational field (for instance if it was orbiting the Earth) then it would not be completely spherical". To be precise: it has to be orbiting for it to be non-spherical. Just being in the presence is not enough.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@fishinear Being in presence of Earth's gravity is also enough to have an elongated shape: there is a gradient of gravitational potential. That's the same reason why we have tides on Earth: the water mass is slightly stretched by the Sun and the Moon.
– jjmontes
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
@jjmontes My mistake, you are correct. It's because the gravitational field is non-uniform
– fishinear
5 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
Could you quantify the relative strength of surface tension vs. gravity, depending on amount of water? And wouldn't the "very long time" in all cases (i.e. also when it is not so long) depend on how "excess energy" is gotten rid of?
– Hagen von Eitzen
2 hours ago
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No, it's not because of gravity. You need to take quite a lot of water in order for gravitational effects to become significant.
It's because of surface tension. Sphere is a shape which minimizes the surface for a given volume. The surface-tension-related potential energy of the water is proportional to the surface, so spherical shape minimizes the potential energy.
13
Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
7
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
7
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
2
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
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up vote
34
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No, it's not because of gravity. You need to take quite a lot of water in order for gravitational effects to become significant.
It's because of surface tension. Sphere is a shape which minimizes the surface for a given volume. The surface-tension-related potential energy of the water is proportional to the surface, so spherical shape minimizes the potential energy.
13
Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
7
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
7
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
2
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
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up vote
34
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up vote
34
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No, it's not because of gravity. You need to take quite a lot of water in order for gravitational effects to become significant.
It's because of surface tension. Sphere is a shape which minimizes the surface for a given volume. The surface-tension-related potential energy of the water is proportional to the surface, so spherical shape minimizes the potential energy.
No, it's not because of gravity. You need to take quite a lot of water in order for gravitational effects to become significant.
It's because of surface tension. Sphere is a shape which minimizes the surface for a given volume. The surface-tension-related potential energy of the water is proportional to the surface, so spherical shape minimizes the potential energy.
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Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
7
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
7
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
2
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
add a comment |
13
Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
7
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
7
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
2
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
13
13
Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
Fun fact: this is the same reason that bubbles are round!
– Paul Belanger
yesterday
7
7
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
What is your "No" in reponse to? There's nothing in the question that mentions gravity.
– Barmar
yesterday
7
7
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
@Barmar Originally there was (the only) tag "gravity".
– lesnik
yesterday
2
2
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
Ahh, didn't notice that edit. But I suspect they were thinking about the lack of gravity in space, not gravity holding the water globule together.
– Barmar
13 hours ago
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I’m sure that a chemist could give a deeper answer. Or from Wikipedia we get, the surface tension occurs because water has hydrogen bonding.
Because of its polarity, a molecule of water in the liquid or solid state can form up to four hydrogen bonds with neighboring molecules. These bonds are the cause of water's high surface tension and capillary forces.
The key are the 4 possible hydrogen bonds to other water molecules of liquid water. The water molecules are bonded to each other like a free dimensional mesh.
Heating water, the water could be sprayed out in space to small pieces of course. The hydrogen bonds are weak (compared to metallic bonds) and under the influence of heat transfer the kinetic energy of the water molecules increases and the hydrogen bonds get broken.
1
Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
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up vote
3
down vote
I’m sure that a chemist could give a deeper answer. Or from Wikipedia we get, the surface tension occurs because water has hydrogen bonding.
Because of its polarity, a molecule of water in the liquid or solid state can form up to four hydrogen bonds with neighboring molecules. These bonds are the cause of water's high surface tension and capillary forces.
The key are the 4 possible hydrogen bonds to other water molecules of liquid water. The water molecules are bonded to each other like a free dimensional mesh.
Heating water, the water could be sprayed out in space to small pieces of course. The hydrogen bonds are weak (compared to metallic bonds) and under the influence of heat transfer the kinetic energy of the water molecules increases and the hydrogen bonds get broken.
1
Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
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I’m sure that a chemist could give a deeper answer. Or from Wikipedia we get, the surface tension occurs because water has hydrogen bonding.
Because of its polarity, a molecule of water in the liquid or solid state can form up to four hydrogen bonds with neighboring molecules. These bonds are the cause of water's high surface tension and capillary forces.
The key are the 4 possible hydrogen bonds to other water molecules of liquid water. The water molecules are bonded to each other like a free dimensional mesh.
Heating water, the water could be sprayed out in space to small pieces of course. The hydrogen bonds are weak (compared to metallic bonds) and under the influence of heat transfer the kinetic energy of the water molecules increases and the hydrogen bonds get broken.
I’m sure that a chemist could give a deeper answer. Or from Wikipedia we get, the surface tension occurs because water has hydrogen bonding.
Because of its polarity, a molecule of water in the liquid or solid state can form up to four hydrogen bonds with neighboring molecules. These bonds are the cause of water's high surface tension and capillary forces.
The key are the 4 possible hydrogen bonds to other water molecules of liquid water. The water molecules are bonded to each other like a free dimensional mesh.
Heating water, the water could be sprayed out in space to small pieces of course. The hydrogen bonds are weak (compared to metallic bonds) and under the influence of heat transfer the kinetic energy of the water molecules increases and the hydrogen bonds get broken.
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Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
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Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
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Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
Surface tension is not particular to water: all liquids will form a sphere in outer space. Even magma will do that, which is why planets are spherical.
– fishinear
10 hours ago
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Thanks for adding the the H bond piece. When H2O is discussed the H bonds need always discussed. For the previous answers... well, good stuff yes. Aside from the pragmatic human behavior implications of molecules. They don't have a choice, period.
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Thanks for adding the the H bond piece. When H2O is discussed the H bonds need always discussed. For the previous answers... well, good stuff yes. Aside from the pragmatic human behavior implications of molecules. They don't have a choice, period.
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Thanks for adding the the H bond piece. When H2O is discussed the H bonds need always discussed. For the previous answers... well, good stuff yes. Aside from the pragmatic human behavior implications of molecules. They don't have a choice, period.
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Thanks for adding the the H bond piece. When H2O is discussed the H bonds need always discussed. For the previous answers... well, good stuff yes. Aside from the pragmatic human behavior implications of molecules. They don't have a choice, period.
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Possible duplicate of Why drops form spheres?
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