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A problem from a Moscow Olympiad states : let $a,b,c$ be real numbers such that $(a+b+c)c<0$. Show that $b^2-4ac>0$. There is a well known proof of this applying the IVT on the polynomial $f(x) = ax^2+bx+c$. Is there any proof that does not involve any calculus, including IVT?



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      A problem from a Moscow Olympiad states : let $a,b,c$ be real numbers such that $(a+b+c)c<0$. Show that $b^2-4ac>0$. There is a well known proof of this applying the IVT on the polynomial $f(x) = ax^2+bx+c$. Is there any proof that does not involve any calculus, including IVT?



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      A problem from a Moscow Olympiad states : let $a,b,c$ be real numbers such that $(a+b+c)c<0$. Show that $b^2-4ac>0$. There is a well known proof of this applying the IVT on the polynomial $f(x) = ax^2+bx+c$. Is there any proof that does not involve any calculus, including IVT?



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          We have
          $$
          (b^2 - 4ac) + 4(a+b+c)c = (b+2c)^2 ge 0 \
          implies b^2 - 4ac ge - 4(a+b+c)c > 0
          $$



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            Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
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            @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
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          Here is a proof that works for any ordered commutative ring:



          Let $a,b,c$ be rationals, reals or elements of any non-trivial ordered commutative ring. Assume that $(a+b+c)c<0$. We show that $b^2-4ac>0$.



          Solution:



          First, observe that the hypothesis implies $(a+b)c<-c ^2$ and that $cneq 0$.
          Then form the matrix
          $$M = left( begin{array}{cc}
          2c & b \
          b & 2a \
          end{array}right)$$

          whose determinant is precicely $4ac-b^2$, and the matrix
          $$ S = left( begin{array}{cc}
          1 & 0 \
          2 & 1 \
          end{array}right)$$

          whose determinant is $1$. Now from the multiplicativity of the determinant $det(SM) =det(S)det(M)=det(M)$. But
          $$det(SM) = det
          left( begin{array}{cc}
          2c & b \
          4c+b & 2(a+b) \
          end{array}right) = 4c(a+b) - b^2-4bc.$$



          But recall that $c(a+b)<-c^2$ so $$4c(a+b)-b^2-4bc < -4c^2-b^2 -4bc = -(b+2c)^2.$$
          The last element is always non-positive and the inequality is strict, so $det(M)=4ac-b^2<0$.






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          • $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
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          • @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
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          If all you know is completing the square:



          Suppose $b^2-4acleq0$. Then we know the quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$ has at most one real root.



          By completing the square we can rewrite $ax^2+bx+c=aleft(left(x+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2right)$ for some real $d$.



          We have $c=frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2$. Returning to the original expression, complete all the squares:



          $$begin{align}(a+b+c)c&=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)left(frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)\
          &=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)frac{b^2}{4a}+left(ad^2frac{b^2}{4a}+left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)ad^2right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
          &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{a}+frac{b^2}{4a^2}right)+d^2left(a^2+ab+frac{b^2}{2}right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
          &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2left(a+frac{b}{2}right)^2+left(ad^2right)^2\
          &geq0text{.}
          end{align}$$

          Thus by contrapositive, $(a+b+c)c<0,Rightarrow, b^2-4ac>0$.






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            Here's a silly proof deriving a contradiction from assuming that $(a + b + c)c lt 0 $ and $b^2-4ac le 0$ are simultaneously true.



            1) By assumption



            $$ (a + b + c) c lt 0 $$



            2) Negation of goal: $ b^2 - 4ac gt 0$



            $$ b^2 - 4ac le 0 $$



            3) From 2 by addition



            $$ b^2 le 4ac $$



            4) expand 1



            $$ ac + bc + c^2 < 0 $$



            5) From 4 by addition



            $$ ac < -bc - c^2 $$



            6) From 5 by multiplication



            $$ 4ac < -4bc -4c^2 $$



            7) transitivity $x le y lt z$ implies $x lt z$



            $$ b^2 lt -4bc - 4c^2 $$



            8) from 7 by addition.



            $$ b^2 + 4bc + 4c^2 gt 0 $$



            9) (7) is a perfect square



            $$ (b + 2c)^2 < 0 $$



            10) By assumption, $a, b, c in mathbb{R}$, so the square of $(b + 2c)$ cannot be negative.



            $$ bot $$



            Therefore, $b^2 - 4ac gt 0$ .






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              We have
              $$
              (b^2 - 4ac) + 4(a+b+c)c = (b+2c)^2 ge 0 \
              implies b^2 - 4ac ge - 4(a+b+c)c > 0
              $$



              To give proper credit: The above approach was found after reading
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                Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
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                @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
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              We have
              $$
              (b^2 - 4ac) + 4(a+b+c)c = (b+2c)^2 ge 0 \
              implies b^2 - 4ac ge - 4(a+b+c)c > 0
              $$



              To give proper credit: The above approach was found after reading
              guest's answer
              and is just a simplification of that solution.






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                Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
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                @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
                – Martin R
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              We have
              $$
              (b^2 - 4ac) + 4(a+b+c)c = (b+2c)^2 ge 0 \
              implies b^2 - 4ac ge - 4(a+b+c)c > 0
              $$



              To give proper credit: The above approach was found after reading
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              and is just a simplification of that solution.






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              We have
              $$
              (b^2 - 4ac) + 4(a+b+c)c = (b+2c)^2 ge 0 \
              implies b^2 - 4ac ge - 4(a+b+c)c > 0
              $$



              To give proper credit: The above approach was found after reading
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              and is just a simplification of that solution.







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                Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
                – guest
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              • 4




                @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
                – Martin R
                yesterday
















              • 1




                Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
                – guest
                yesterday






              • 4




                @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
                – Martin R
                yesterday










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              Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
              – guest
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              Well that makes my solution a little embarrassing.
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              yesterday




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              @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
              – Martin R
              yesterday






              @guest: No, it isn't. It is a normal process that one finds a “complicated” solution first, and only then realizes how it can be simplified.
              – Martin R
              yesterday












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              Here is a proof that works for any ordered commutative ring:



              Let $a,b,c$ be rationals, reals or elements of any non-trivial ordered commutative ring. Assume that $(a+b+c)c<0$. We show that $b^2-4ac>0$.



              Solution:



              First, observe that the hypothesis implies $(a+b)c<-c ^2$ and that $cneq 0$.
              Then form the matrix
              $$M = left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              b & 2a \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is precicely $4ac-b^2$, and the matrix
              $$ S = left( begin{array}{cc}
              1 & 0 \
              2 & 1 \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is $1$. Now from the multiplicativity of the determinant $det(SM) =det(S)det(M)=det(M)$. But
              $$det(SM) = det
              left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              4c+b & 2(a+b) \
              end{array}right) = 4c(a+b) - b^2-4bc.$$



              But recall that $c(a+b)<-c^2$ so $$4c(a+b)-b^2-4bc < -4c^2-b^2 -4bc = -(b+2c)^2.$$
              The last element is always non-positive and the inequality is strict, so $det(M)=4ac-b^2<0$.






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              • $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
                – Martin R
                yesterday










              • @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
                – guest
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              Here is a proof that works for any ordered commutative ring:



              Let $a,b,c$ be rationals, reals or elements of any non-trivial ordered commutative ring. Assume that $(a+b+c)c<0$. We show that $b^2-4ac>0$.



              Solution:



              First, observe that the hypothesis implies $(a+b)c<-c ^2$ and that $cneq 0$.
              Then form the matrix
              $$M = left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              b & 2a \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is precicely $4ac-b^2$, and the matrix
              $$ S = left( begin{array}{cc}
              1 & 0 \
              2 & 1 \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is $1$. Now from the multiplicativity of the determinant $det(SM) =det(S)det(M)=det(M)$. But
              $$det(SM) = det
              left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              4c+b & 2(a+b) \
              end{array}right) = 4c(a+b) - b^2-4bc.$$



              But recall that $c(a+b)<-c^2$ so $$4c(a+b)-b^2-4bc < -4c^2-b^2 -4bc = -(b+2c)^2.$$
              The last element is always non-positive and the inequality is strict, so $det(M)=4ac-b^2<0$.






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              • $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
                – Martin R
                yesterday










              • @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
                – guest
                yesterday















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              Here is a proof that works for any ordered commutative ring:



              Let $a,b,c$ be rationals, reals or elements of any non-trivial ordered commutative ring. Assume that $(a+b+c)c<0$. We show that $b^2-4ac>0$.



              Solution:



              First, observe that the hypothesis implies $(a+b)c<-c ^2$ and that $cneq 0$.
              Then form the matrix
              $$M = left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              b & 2a \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is precicely $4ac-b^2$, and the matrix
              $$ S = left( begin{array}{cc}
              1 & 0 \
              2 & 1 \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is $1$. Now from the multiplicativity of the determinant $det(SM) =det(S)det(M)=det(M)$. But
              $$det(SM) = det
              left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              4c+b & 2(a+b) \
              end{array}right) = 4c(a+b) - b^2-4bc.$$



              But recall that $c(a+b)<-c^2$ so $$4c(a+b)-b^2-4bc < -4c^2-b^2 -4bc = -(b+2c)^2.$$
              The last element is always non-positive and the inequality is strict, so $det(M)=4ac-b^2<0$.






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              Here is a proof that works for any ordered commutative ring:



              Let $a,b,c$ be rationals, reals or elements of any non-trivial ordered commutative ring. Assume that $(a+b+c)c<0$. We show that $b^2-4ac>0$.



              Solution:



              First, observe that the hypothesis implies $(a+b)c<-c ^2$ and that $cneq 0$.
              Then form the matrix
              $$M = left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              b & 2a \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is precicely $4ac-b^2$, and the matrix
              $$ S = left( begin{array}{cc}
              1 & 0 \
              2 & 1 \
              end{array}right)$$

              whose determinant is $1$. Now from the multiplicativity of the determinant $det(SM) =det(S)det(M)=det(M)$. But
              $$det(SM) = det
              left( begin{array}{cc}
              2c & b \
              4c+b & 2(a+b) \
              end{array}right) = 4c(a+b) - b^2-4bc.$$



              But recall that $c(a+b)<-c^2$ so $$4c(a+b)-b^2-4bc < -4c^2-b^2 -4bc = -(b+2c)^2.$$
              The last element is always non-positive and the inequality is strict, so $det(M)=4ac-b^2<0$.







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              • $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
                – Martin R
                yesterday










              • @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
                – guest
                yesterday




















              • $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
                – Martin R
                yesterday










              • @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
                – guest
                yesterday


















              $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
              – Martin R
              yesterday




              $b^2-4ac = (b+2c)^2 - 4(a+b+c)c > 0$ can be verified directly, without using determinants.
              – Martin R
              yesterday












              @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
              – guest
              yesterday






              @MartinR thanks! I am just showing how I arrived at the inequality :) Please post this as an answer so I will accept it.
              – guest
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              If all you know is completing the square:



              Suppose $b^2-4acleq0$. Then we know the quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$ has at most one real root.



              By completing the square we can rewrite $ax^2+bx+c=aleft(left(x+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2right)$ for some real $d$.



              We have $c=frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2$. Returning to the original expression, complete all the squares:



              $$begin{align}(a+b+c)c&=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)left(frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)\
              &=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)frac{b^2}{4a}+left(ad^2frac{b^2}{4a}+left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)ad^2right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
              &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{a}+frac{b^2}{4a^2}right)+d^2left(a^2+ab+frac{b^2}{2}right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
              &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2left(a+frac{b}{2}right)^2+left(ad^2right)^2\
              &geq0text{.}
              end{align}$$

              Thus by contrapositive, $(a+b+c)c<0,Rightarrow, b^2-4ac>0$.






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                If all you know is completing the square:



                Suppose $b^2-4acleq0$. Then we know the quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$ has at most one real root.



                By completing the square we can rewrite $ax^2+bx+c=aleft(left(x+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2right)$ for some real $d$.



                We have $c=frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2$. Returning to the original expression, complete all the squares:



                $$begin{align}(a+b+c)c&=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)left(frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)\
                &=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)frac{b^2}{4a}+left(ad^2frac{b^2}{4a}+left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)ad^2right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{a}+frac{b^2}{4a^2}right)+d^2left(a^2+ab+frac{b^2}{2}right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2left(a+frac{b}{2}right)^2+left(ad^2right)^2\
                &geq0text{.}
                end{align}$$

                Thus by contrapositive, $(a+b+c)c<0,Rightarrow, b^2-4ac>0$.






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                  If all you know is completing the square:



                  Suppose $b^2-4acleq0$. Then we know the quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$ has at most one real root.



                  By completing the square we can rewrite $ax^2+bx+c=aleft(left(x+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2right)$ for some real $d$.



                  We have $c=frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2$. Returning to the original expression, complete all the squares:



                  $$begin{align}(a+b+c)c&=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)left(frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)\
                  &=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)frac{b^2}{4a}+left(ad^2frac{b^2}{4a}+left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)ad^2right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{a}+frac{b^2}{4a^2}right)+d^2left(a^2+ab+frac{b^2}{2}right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2left(a+frac{b}{2}right)^2+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &geq0text{.}
                  end{align}$$

                  Thus by contrapositive, $(a+b+c)c<0,Rightarrow, b^2-4ac>0$.






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                  If all you know is completing the square:



                  Suppose $b^2-4acleq0$. Then we know the quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$ has at most one real root.



                  By completing the square we can rewrite $ax^2+bx+c=aleft(left(x+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2right)$ for some real $d$.



                  We have $c=frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2$. Returning to the original expression, complete all the squares:



                  $$begin{align}(a+b+c)c&=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)left(frac{b^2}{4a}+ad^2right)\
                  &=left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)frac{b^2}{4a}+left(ad^2frac{b^2}{4a}+left(a+b+frac{b^2}{4a}right)ad^2right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{a}+frac{b^2}{4a^2}right)+d^2left(a^2+ab+frac{b^2}{2}right)+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &=frac{b^2}{4}left(1+frac{b}{2a}right)^2+d^2left(a+frac{b}{2}right)^2+left(ad^2right)^2\
                  &geq0text{.}
                  end{align}$$

                  Thus by contrapositive, $(a+b+c)c<0,Rightarrow, b^2-4ac>0$.







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                      Here's a silly proof deriving a contradiction from assuming that $(a + b + c)c lt 0 $ and $b^2-4ac le 0$ are simultaneously true.



                      1) By assumption



                      $$ (a + b + c) c lt 0 $$



                      2) Negation of goal: $ b^2 - 4ac gt 0$



                      $$ b^2 - 4ac le 0 $$



                      3) From 2 by addition



                      $$ b^2 le 4ac $$



                      4) expand 1



                      $$ ac + bc + c^2 < 0 $$



                      5) From 4 by addition



                      $$ ac < -bc - c^2 $$



                      6) From 5 by multiplication



                      $$ 4ac < -4bc -4c^2 $$



                      7) transitivity $x le y lt z$ implies $x lt z$



                      $$ b^2 lt -4bc - 4c^2 $$



                      8) from 7 by addition.



                      $$ b^2 + 4bc + 4c^2 gt 0 $$



                      9) (7) is a perfect square



                      $$ (b + 2c)^2 < 0 $$



                      10) By assumption, $a, b, c in mathbb{R}$, so the square of $(b + 2c)$ cannot be negative.



                      $$ bot $$



                      Therefore, $b^2 - 4ac gt 0$ .






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                        Here's a silly proof deriving a contradiction from assuming that $(a + b + c)c lt 0 $ and $b^2-4ac le 0$ are simultaneously true.



                        1) By assumption



                        $$ (a + b + c) c lt 0 $$



                        2) Negation of goal: $ b^2 - 4ac gt 0$



                        $$ b^2 - 4ac le 0 $$



                        3) From 2 by addition



                        $$ b^2 le 4ac $$



                        4) expand 1



                        $$ ac + bc + c^2 < 0 $$



                        5) From 4 by addition



                        $$ ac < -bc - c^2 $$



                        6) From 5 by multiplication



                        $$ 4ac < -4bc -4c^2 $$



                        7) transitivity $x le y lt z$ implies $x lt z$



                        $$ b^2 lt -4bc - 4c^2 $$



                        8) from 7 by addition.



                        $$ b^2 + 4bc + 4c^2 gt 0 $$



                        9) (7) is a perfect square



                        $$ (b + 2c)^2 < 0 $$



                        10) By assumption, $a, b, c in mathbb{R}$, so the square of $(b + 2c)$ cannot be negative.



                        $$ bot $$



                        Therefore, $b^2 - 4ac gt 0$ .






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                          Here's a silly proof deriving a contradiction from assuming that $(a + b + c)c lt 0 $ and $b^2-4ac le 0$ are simultaneously true.



                          1) By assumption



                          $$ (a + b + c) c lt 0 $$



                          2) Negation of goal: $ b^2 - 4ac gt 0$



                          $$ b^2 - 4ac le 0 $$



                          3) From 2 by addition



                          $$ b^2 le 4ac $$



                          4) expand 1



                          $$ ac + bc + c^2 < 0 $$



                          5) From 4 by addition



                          $$ ac < -bc - c^2 $$



                          6) From 5 by multiplication



                          $$ 4ac < -4bc -4c^2 $$



                          7) transitivity $x le y lt z$ implies $x lt z$



                          $$ b^2 lt -4bc - 4c^2 $$



                          8) from 7 by addition.



                          $$ b^2 + 4bc + 4c^2 gt 0 $$



                          9) (7) is a perfect square



                          $$ (b + 2c)^2 < 0 $$



                          10) By assumption, $a, b, c in mathbb{R}$, so the square of $(b + 2c)$ cannot be negative.



                          $$ bot $$



                          Therefore, $b^2 - 4ac gt 0$ .






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                          Here's a silly proof deriving a contradiction from assuming that $(a + b + c)c lt 0 $ and $b^2-4ac le 0$ are simultaneously true.



                          1) By assumption



                          $$ (a + b + c) c lt 0 $$



                          2) Negation of goal: $ b^2 - 4ac gt 0$



                          $$ b^2 - 4ac le 0 $$



                          3) From 2 by addition



                          $$ b^2 le 4ac $$



                          4) expand 1



                          $$ ac + bc + c^2 < 0 $$



                          5) From 4 by addition



                          $$ ac < -bc - c^2 $$



                          6) From 5 by multiplication



                          $$ 4ac < -4bc -4c^2 $$



                          7) transitivity $x le y lt z$ implies $x lt z$



                          $$ b^2 lt -4bc - 4c^2 $$



                          8) from 7 by addition.



                          $$ b^2 + 4bc + 4c^2 gt 0 $$



                          9) (7) is a perfect square



                          $$ (b + 2c)^2 < 0 $$



                          10) By assumption, $a, b, c in mathbb{R}$, so the square of $(b + 2c)$ cannot be negative.



                          $$ bot $$



                          Therefore, $b^2 - 4ac gt 0$ .







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