What is the correct pronunciation of TeX and LaTeX?











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Is it tex(tech)?
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Is it tex(like touch)?



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La-TeX?



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    see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
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    What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
    – rberaldo
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  • @rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
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  • @Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
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Is it tex(tech)?
Or
Is it tex(like touch)?



Lay-TeX?
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La-TeX?



Should I use TeX pronunciation in LaTeX?










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    see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
    – Herbert
    May 5 '11 at 19:28






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    What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
    – rberaldo
    May 5 '11 at 20:08










  • @rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
    – Caramdir
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  • @Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
    – rberaldo
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Is it tex(tech)?
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Lay-TeX?
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La-TeX?



Should I use TeX pronunciation in LaTeX?










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Is it tex(tech)?
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Is it tex(like touch)?



Lay-TeX?
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La-TeX?



Should I use TeX pronunciation in LaTeX?







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    see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
    – Herbert
    May 5 '11 at 19:28






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    What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
    – rberaldo
    May 5 '11 at 20:08










  • @rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
    – Caramdir
    May 5 '11 at 20:29










  • @Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
    – rberaldo
    May 5 '11 at 20:40














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    see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
    – Herbert
    May 5 '11 at 19:28






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    What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
    – rberaldo
    May 5 '11 at 20:08










  • @rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
    – Caramdir
    May 5 '11 at 20:29










  • @Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
    – rberaldo
    May 5 '11 at 20:40








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see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
– Herbert
May 5 '11 at 19:28




see last line in latex-project.org/intro.html
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What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
– rberaldo
May 5 '11 at 20:08




What about ConTeXt? The final “t” is for “tricky”.
– rberaldo
May 5 '11 at 20:08












@rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
– Caramdir
May 5 '11 at 20:29




@rberaldo: see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/…
– Caramdir
May 5 '11 at 20:29












@Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
– rberaldo
May 5 '11 at 20:40




@Caramdir thank you! I think the Hans Hagen should put it in the manual, just for the sake of tradition.
– rberaldo
May 5 '11 at 20:40










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Let the creators of TeX and LaTeX answer:



Donald Knuth wrote in the first chapter of his TeXbook:




English words like ‘technology’ stem
from a Greek root beginning with the
letters τεχ...; and this same Greek
word means art as well as
technology. Hence the name TeX, which
is an uppercase form of τεχ.



Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a
Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX
rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s
the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like
loch or German words like ach; it’s a
Spanish ‘j’ and a Russian ‘kh’. When
you say it correctly to your computer,
the terminal may become slightly
moist.




Leslie Lamport wrote in the first chapter of his book LaTeX: A document Preparation System:




One of the hardest things about LaTeX
is deciding how to pronounce it.This
is also one of the few things I'm not
going to tell you about LaTeX, since
pronunciation is best determined by
usage, not fiat. TeX is usually
pronounced teck, making lah-teck,
and lay-teck the logical choices;
but language is not always logical, so
lay-tecks is also possible.







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    a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
    – barbara beeton
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    Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
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    @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
    – Gonzalo Medina
    May 7 '11 at 2:33






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    One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
    – Bruno Le Floch
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    @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
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Using the IPA, it is /ˈleɪtɛk/, /ˈleɪtɛx/, /ˈlɑːtɛx/, or /ˈlɑːtɛk/.



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Pronouncing "LaTeX" on Wikipedia




LaTeX is usually pronounced /ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/ in English (that is, not with the /ks/ pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a /k/). The characters T, E, X in the name come from capital Greek letters tau, epsilon, and chi, as the name of TeX derives from the Greek: τέχνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a pronunciation of /ˈtɛx/ (tekh) (that is, with a voiceless velar fricative as in Modern Greek, similar to the last sound of the German word "Bach", the Spanish "j" sound, or as ch in loch). Lamport, on the other hand, has said he does not favor or discourage any pronunciation for LaTeX.







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    As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
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  • @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
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  • Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
    – doncherry
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  • @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
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I think that it's better to find out what Knuth has to say in the matter... Listen!!! :D



Oh, and watch the whole presentation. It is definitely worth it.






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    (pronunciation at 13:40)
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    Love the digs at Steve Jobs and Apple. Throughout the presentation!
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Knuth answers this in the TeXbook: it's "teccch" (a gutteral sound, like in German or Russian or Hebrew, or of course Greek) not "teks" or "tetch". According to the TeX FAQ, there is no official pronunciation for LaTeX, but I often hear "lay-TeX" or (of course) "lay-teks" for humorous reasons. I prefer "lah-TeX", as in "Lamport", but I'm pedantic.






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    TeX actually stands for tau-epsilon-chi and the 'X' is therefore pronounced like the 'ch' in German, i.e. by breathing out through half closed mouth (I can't explain it better). It's sounds similar to the 'tech' in 'technique'.



    The TeX Wikipedia page says:




    TeX (/ˈtɛx/ as in Greek, but often pronounced /tɛk/ in English)
    ...
    'ch' like in 'loch'




    LaTeX is pronounced lah-tech by most German speakers (like me) but in English it is often pronounced lay-tech. IMHO that is because it is the natural pronounced of that languages.






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      "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
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      @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
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      Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
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      Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
      – teylyn
      May 5 '11 at 21:06






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      @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
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    Allow me to suggest a probably unpopular alternative: "latex" /ˈleɪtɛks/. Like the substance. Let it stand for whatever Greek letters it may: I'm not reading it in Greek, so that's irrelevant. Spell it like an existing word and you only invite a reader to read it like an existing word.



    Ultimately, I'd posit that it's not that important as long as people understand you.



    (Also, SQL is not "sequel" and "arXiv" is not "ar-kh-iv" (and definitely not "archive").)




    Please don't downvote me too hard, I am but a simple foreigner...






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      accepted










      Let the creators of TeX and LaTeX answer:



      Donald Knuth wrote in the first chapter of his TeXbook:




      English words like ‘technology’ stem
      from a Greek root beginning with the
      letters τεχ...; and this same Greek
      word means art as well as
      technology. Hence the name TeX, which
      is an uppercase form of τεχ.



      Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a
      Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX
      rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s
      the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like
      loch or German words like ach; it’s a
      Spanish ‘j’ and a Russian ‘kh’. When
      you say it correctly to your computer,
      the terminal may become slightly
      moist.




      Leslie Lamport wrote in the first chapter of his book LaTeX: A document Preparation System:




      One of the hardest things about LaTeX
      is deciding how to pronounce it.This
      is also one of the few things I'm not
      going to tell you about LaTeX, since
      pronunciation is best determined by
      usage, not fiat. TeX is usually
      pronounced teck, making lah-teck,
      and lay-teck the logical choices;
      but language is not always logical, so
      lay-tecks is also possible.







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        a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
        – barbara beeton
        May 5 '11 at 20:13






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        Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
        – doncherry
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        @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
        – Gonzalo Medina
        May 7 '11 at 2:33






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        One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
        – Bruno Le Floch
        May 24 '13 at 9:02






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        @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
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      Let the creators of TeX and LaTeX answer:



      Donald Knuth wrote in the first chapter of his TeXbook:




      English words like ‘technology’ stem
      from a Greek root beginning with the
      letters τεχ...; and this same Greek
      word means art as well as
      technology. Hence the name TeX, which
      is an uppercase form of τεχ.



      Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a
      Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX
      rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s
      the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like
      loch or German words like ach; it’s a
      Spanish ‘j’ and a Russian ‘kh’. When
      you say it correctly to your computer,
      the terminal may become slightly
      moist.




      Leslie Lamport wrote in the first chapter of his book LaTeX: A document Preparation System:




      One of the hardest things about LaTeX
      is deciding how to pronounce it.This
      is also one of the few things I'm not
      going to tell you about LaTeX, since
      pronunciation is best determined by
      usage, not fiat. TeX is usually
      pronounced teck, making lah-teck,
      and lay-teck the logical choices;
      but language is not always logical, so
      lay-tecks is also possible.







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        a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
        – barbara beeton
        May 5 '11 at 20:13






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        Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 23:13








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        @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
        – Gonzalo Medina
        May 7 '11 at 2:33






      • 1




        One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
        – Bruno Le Floch
        May 24 '13 at 9:02






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        @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
        – Perseids
        Sep 15 '14 at 11:45













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      up vote
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      Let the creators of TeX and LaTeX answer:



      Donald Knuth wrote in the first chapter of his TeXbook:




      English words like ‘technology’ stem
      from a Greek root beginning with the
      letters τεχ...; and this same Greek
      word means art as well as
      technology. Hence the name TeX, which
      is an uppercase form of τεχ.



      Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a
      Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX
      rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s
      the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like
      loch or German words like ach; it’s a
      Spanish ‘j’ and a Russian ‘kh’. When
      you say it correctly to your computer,
      the terminal may become slightly
      moist.




      Leslie Lamport wrote in the first chapter of his book LaTeX: A document Preparation System:




      One of the hardest things about LaTeX
      is deciding how to pronounce it.This
      is also one of the few things I'm not
      going to tell you about LaTeX, since
      pronunciation is best determined by
      usage, not fiat. TeX is usually
      pronounced teck, making lah-teck,
      and lay-teck the logical choices;
      but language is not always logical, so
      lay-tecks is also possible.







      share|improve this answer












      Let the creators of TeX and LaTeX answer:



      Donald Knuth wrote in the first chapter of his TeXbook:




      English words like ‘technology’ stem
      from a Greek root beginning with the
      letters τεχ...; and this same Greek
      word means art as well as
      technology. Hence the name TeX, which
      is an uppercase form of τεχ.



      Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a
      Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX
      rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s
      the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like
      loch or German words like ach; it’s a
      Spanish ‘j’ and a Russian ‘kh’. When
      you say it correctly to your computer,
      the terminal may become slightly
      moist.




      Leslie Lamport wrote in the first chapter of his book LaTeX: A document Preparation System:




      One of the hardest things about LaTeX
      is deciding how to pronounce it.This
      is also one of the few things I'm not
      going to tell you about LaTeX, since
      pronunciation is best determined by
      usage, not fiat. TeX is usually
      pronounced teck, making lah-teck,
      and lay-teck the logical choices;
      but language is not always logical, so
      lay-tecks is also possible.








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        a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
        – barbara beeton
        May 5 '11 at 20:13






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        Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 23:13








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        @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
        – Gonzalo Medina
        May 7 '11 at 2:33






      • 1




        One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
        – Bruno Le Floch
        May 24 '13 at 9:02






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        @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
        – Perseids
        Sep 15 '14 at 11:45














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        a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
        – barbara beeton
        May 5 '11 at 20:13






      • 1




        Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 23:13








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        @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
        – Gonzalo Medina
        May 7 '11 at 2:33






      • 1




        One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
        – Bruno Le Floch
        May 24 '13 at 9:02






      • 2




        @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
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        Sep 15 '14 at 11:45








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      a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
      – barbara beeton
      May 5 '11 at 20:13




      a long time ago, in an intro to latex presented at a decus symposium by lamport himself, he said when asked this question, "anything but L.A.TeX". (in other words, don't pronounce the first two letters as separate syllables.)
      – barbara beeton
      May 5 '11 at 20:13




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      Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
      – doncherry
      May 5 '11 at 23:13






      Great answer. Another interesting quote by Knuth is mentioned in footnote 1 on page 1 of lshort, I think this quote would add to your answer even more. (I couldn't find the quote in the "German Wikipedia" right away though ...)
      – doncherry
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      @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
      – Gonzalo Medina
      May 7 '11 at 2:33




      @doncherry: thanks for the quote. I, however, was unable to find the source in the German Wikipedia, so I decided not to add the quote to my answer until I (or someone else) can find the source.
      – Gonzalo Medina
      May 7 '11 at 2:33




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      One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
      – Bruno Le Floch
      May 24 '13 at 9:02




      One should note, however, that the Greek χ (chi) is pronounced (at least by the very few Greek people I've met) closer to the English word 'he' than to the German 'ach', so I would question whether Knuth's explanation is fully consistent with modern Greek pronunciation.
      – Bruno Le Floch
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      @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
      – Perseids
      Sep 15 '14 at 11:45




      @BrunoLeFloch: There seem to be two pronunciations of χ in modern greek depending on the context. Wikipedia: "In Modern Greek, it has two distinct pronunciations: In front of high or front vowels (/e/ or /i/) it is pronounced as a voiceless palatal fricative [ç], as in German ich or like the h in some pronunciations of the English words hew and human. In front of low or back vowels (/a/, /o/ or /u/) and consonants, it is pronounced as a voiceless velar fricative ([x]), as in German ach."
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      Using the IPA, it is /ˈleɪtɛk/, /ˈleɪtɛx/, /ˈlɑːtɛx/, or /ˈlɑːtɛk/.



      Resources:



      Pronouncing "LaTeX" on Wikipedia




      LaTeX is usually pronounced /ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/ in English (that is, not with the /ks/ pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a /k/). The characters T, E, X in the name come from capital Greek letters tau, epsilon, and chi, as the name of TeX derives from the Greek: τέχνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a pronunciation of /ˈtɛx/ (tekh) (that is, with a voiceless velar fricative as in Modern Greek, similar to the last sound of the German word "Bach", the Spanish "j" sound, or as ch in loch). Lamport, on the other hand, has said he does not favor or discourage any pronunciation for LaTeX.







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        As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 20:42










      • @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 5 '11 at 21:14










      • Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 22:36










      • @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 6 '11 at 4:54















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      Using the IPA, it is /ˈleɪtɛk/, /ˈleɪtɛx/, /ˈlɑːtɛx/, or /ˈlɑːtɛk/.



      Resources:



      Pronouncing "LaTeX" on Wikipedia




      LaTeX is usually pronounced /ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/ in English (that is, not with the /ks/ pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a /k/). The characters T, E, X in the name come from capital Greek letters tau, epsilon, and chi, as the name of TeX derives from the Greek: τέχνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a pronunciation of /ˈtɛx/ (tekh) (that is, with a voiceless velar fricative as in Modern Greek, similar to the last sound of the German word "Bach", the Spanish "j" sound, or as ch in loch). Lamport, on the other hand, has said he does not favor or discourage any pronunciation for LaTeX.







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        As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 20:42










      • @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 5 '11 at 21:14










      • Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 22:36










      • @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 6 '11 at 4:54













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      up vote
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      Using the IPA, it is /ˈleɪtɛk/, /ˈleɪtɛx/, /ˈlɑːtɛx/, or /ˈlɑːtɛk/.



      Resources:



      Pronouncing "LaTeX" on Wikipedia




      LaTeX is usually pronounced /ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/ in English (that is, not with the /ks/ pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a /k/). The characters T, E, X in the name come from capital Greek letters tau, epsilon, and chi, as the name of TeX derives from the Greek: τέχνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a pronunciation of /ˈtɛx/ (tekh) (that is, with a voiceless velar fricative as in Modern Greek, similar to the last sound of the German word "Bach", the Spanish "j" sound, or as ch in loch). Lamport, on the other hand, has said he does not favor or discourage any pronunciation for LaTeX.







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      Using the IPA, it is /ˈleɪtɛk/, /ˈleɪtɛx/, /ˈlɑːtɛx/, or /ˈlɑːtɛk/.



      Resources:



      Pronouncing "LaTeX" on Wikipedia




      LaTeX is usually pronounced /ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/ in English (that is, not with the /ks/ pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a /k/). The characters T, E, X in the name come from capital Greek letters tau, epsilon, and chi, as the name of TeX derives from the Greek: τέχνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a pronunciation of /ˈtɛx/ (tekh) (that is, with a voiceless velar fricative as in Modern Greek, similar to the last sound of the German word "Bach", the Spanish "j" sound, or as ch in loch). Lamport, on the other hand, has said he does not favor or discourage any pronunciation for LaTeX.








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        As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 20:42










      • @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 5 '11 at 21:14










      • Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 22:36










      • @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 6 '11 at 4:54














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        As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 20:42










      • @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 5 '11 at 21:14










      • Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
        – doncherry
        May 5 '11 at 22:36










      • @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
        – Harold Cavendish
        May 6 '11 at 4:54








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      As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
      – doncherry
      May 5 '11 at 20:42




      As a linguistics student, I highly appreciate your IPA, to make it even better, you could/should add either slashes /.../ or brackets [...] around it. Your quote went with the slashes, which indicate phonemic transcription. That seems appropriate here.
      – doncherry
      May 5 '11 at 20:42












      @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
      – Harold Cavendish
      May 5 '11 at 21:14




      @doncherry Thank you for the suggestion, I have added the slashes. I am actually learning the IPA at the moment as I have become interested in linguistics, particularly phonetics and phonology, so any good advice such as yours is highly appreciated.
      – Harold Cavendish
      May 5 '11 at 21:14












      Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
      – doncherry
      May 5 '11 at 22:36




      Glad I could help. I'm sure you know it already, but in case you don't, you should check out the tipa package for IPA in LaTeX.
      – doncherry
      May 5 '11 at 22:36












      @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
      – Harold Cavendish
      May 6 '11 at 4:54




      @doncherry I do, thank you. I am currently working on typesetting a short phrasal dictionary so I use it a lot.
      – Harold Cavendish
      May 6 '11 at 4:54










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      I think that it's better to find out what Knuth has to say in the matter... Listen!!! :D



      Oh, and watch the whole presentation. It is definitely worth it.






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        (pronunciation at 13:40)
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        Love the digs at Steve Jobs and Apple. Throughout the presentation!
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      I think that it's better to find out what Knuth has to say in the matter... Listen!!! :D



      Oh, and watch the whole presentation. It is definitely worth it.






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        (pronunciation at 13:40)
        – Neil G
        May 6 '11 at 7:56






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        Love the digs at Steve Jobs and Apple. Throughout the presentation!
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      I think that it's better to find out what Knuth has to say in the matter... Listen!!! :D



      Oh, and watch the whole presentation. It is definitely worth it.






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      I think that it's better to find out what Knuth has to say in the matter... Listen!!! :D



      Oh, and watch the whole presentation. It is definitely worth it.







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      Love the digs at Steve Jobs and Apple. Throughout the presentation!
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      Love the digs at Steve Jobs and Apple. Throughout the presentation!
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      Knuth answers this in the TeXbook: it's "teccch" (a gutteral sound, like in German or Russian or Hebrew, or of course Greek) not "teks" or "tetch". According to the TeX FAQ, there is no official pronunciation for LaTeX, but I often hear "lay-TeX" or (of course) "lay-teks" for humorous reasons. I prefer "lah-TeX", as in "Lamport", but I'm pedantic.






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        Knuth answers this in the TeXbook: it's "teccch" (a gutteral sound, like in German or Russian or Hebrew, or of course Greek) not "teks" or "tetch". According to the TeX FAQ, there is no official pronunciation for LaTeX, but I often hear "lay-TeX" or (of course) "lay-teks" for humorous reasons. I prefer "lah-TeX", as in "Lamport", but I'm pedantic.






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          Knuth answers this in the TeXbook: it's "teccch" (a gutteral sound, like in German or Russian or Hebrew, or of course Greek) not "teks" or "tetch". According to the TeX FAQ, there is no official pronunciation for LaTeX, but I often hear "lay-TeX" or (of course) "lay-teks" for humorous reasons. I prefer "lah-TeX", as in "Lamport", but I'm pedantic.






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          Knuth answers this in the TeXbook: it's "teccch" (a gutteral sound, like in German or Russian or Hebrew, or of course Greek) not "teks" or "tetch". According to the TeX FAQ, there is no official pronunciation for LaTeX, but I often hear "lay-TeX" or (of course) "lay-teks" for humorous reasons. I prefer "lah-TeX", as in "Lamport", but I'm pedantic.







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              TeX actually stands for tau-epsilon-chi and the 'X' is therefore pronounced like the 'ch' in German, i.e. by breathing out through half closed mouth (I can't explain it better). It's sounds similar to the 'tech' in 'technique'.



              The TeX Wikipedia page says:




              TeX (/ˈtɛx/ as in Greek, but often pronounced /tɛk/ in English)
              ...
              'ch' like in 'loch'




              LaTeX is pronounced lah-tech by most German speakers (like me) but in English it is often pronounced lay-tech. IMHO that is because it is the natural pronounced of that languages.






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                "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 19:38






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                @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
                – Martin Scharrer
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                Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
                – Loop Space
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                Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
                – teylyn
                May 5 '11 at 21:06






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                @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
                – Caramdir
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              TeX actually stands for tau-epsilon-chi and the 'X' is therefore pronounced like the 'ch' in German, i.e. by breathing out through half closed mouth (I can't explain it better). It's sounds similar to the 'tech' in 'technique'.



              The TeX Wikipedia page says:




              TeX (/ˈtɛx/ as in Greek, but often pronounced /tɛk/ in English)
              ...
              'ch' like in 'loch'




              LaTeX is pronounced lah-tech by most German speakers (like me) but in English it is often pronounced lay-tech. IMHO that is because it is the natural pronounced of that languages.






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                "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 19:38






              • 1




                @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
                – Martin Scharrer
                May 5 '11 at 19:43






              • 1




                Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 20:54






              • 1




                Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
                – teylyn
                May 5 '11 at 21:06






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                @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
                – Caramdir
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              up vote
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              TeX actually stands for tau-epsilon-chi and the 'X' is therefore pronounced like the 'ch' in German, i.e. by breathing out through half closed mouth (I can't explain it better). It's sounds similar to the 'tech' in 'technique'.



              The TeX Wikipedia page says:




              TeX (/ˈtɛx/ as in Greek, but often pronounced /tɛk/ in English)
              ...
              'ch' like in 'loch'




              LaTeX is pronounced lah-tech by most German speakers (like me) but in English it is often pronounced lay-tech. IMHO that is because it is the natural pronounced of that languages.






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              TeX actually stands for tau-epsilon-chi and the 'X' is therefore pronounced like the 'ch' in German, i.e. by breathing out through half closed mouth (I can't explain it better). It's sounds similar to the 'tech' in 'technique'.



              The TeX Wikipedia page says:




              TeX (/ˈtɛx/ as in Greek, but often pronounced /tɛk/ in English)
              ...
              'ch' like in 'loch'




              LaTeX is pronounced lah-tech by most German speakers (like me) but in English it is often pronounced lay-tech. IMHO that is because it is the natural pronounced of that languages.







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              • 3




                "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 19:38






              • 1




                @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
                – Martin Scharrer
                May 5 '11 at 19:43






              • 1




                Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 20:54






              • 1




                Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
                – teylyn
                May 5 '11 at 21:06






              • 1




                @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
                – Caramdir
                May 6 '11 at 1:23
















              • 3




                "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 19:38






              • 1




                @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
                – Martin Scharrer
                May 5 '11 at 19:43






              • 1




                Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
                – Loop Space
                May 5 '11 at 20:54






              • 1




                Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
                – teylyn
                May 5 '11 at 21:06






              • 1




                @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
                – Caramdir
                May 6 '11 at 1:23










              3




              3




              "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
              – Loop Space
              May 5 '11 at 19:38




              "breathing out through half closed mouse"!!! I'm sure you can't explain it better.
              – Loop Space
              May 5 '11 at 19:38




              1




              1




              @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
              – Martin Scharrer
              May 5 '11 at 19:43




              @Andrew: LOL :-) Sorry, long day. ROFL
              – Martin Scharrer
              May 5 '11 at 19:43




              1




              1




              Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
              – Loop Space
              May 5 '11 at 20:54




              Incidentally, 'LOL' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's a sad day.
              – Loop Space
              May 5 '11 at 20:54




              1




              1




              Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
              – teylyn
              May 5 '11 at 21:06




              Martin, which German "ch"? There's Bach and there's Brecht. The different sources seem to be contradicting each other. The above quotes list the Scottish "loch" but on latex-project.org/intro.html the instructions compare it with "Brecht". These are different sounds for the ch, at least for a German speaker.
              – teylyn
              May 5 '11 at 21:06




              1




              1




              @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
              – Caramdir
              May 6 '11 at 1:23






              @teylyn: According to Wikipedia, it is IPA [x], as in German Bach. See also the entry on χ.
              – Caramdir
              May 6 '11 at 1:23












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              Allow me to suggest a probably unpopular alternative: "latex" /ˈleɪtɛks/. Like the substance. Let it stand for whatever Greek letters it may: I'm not reading it in Greek, so that's irrelevant. Spell it like an existing word and you only invite a reader to read it like an existing word.



              Ultimately, I'd posit that it's not that important as long as people understand you.



              (Also, SQL is not "sequel" and "arXiv" is not "ar-kh-iv" (and definitely not "archive").)




              Please don't downvote me too hard, I am but a simple foreigner...






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                Allow me to suggest a probably unpopular alternative: "latex" /ˈleɪtɛks/. Like the substance. Let it stand for whatever Greek letters it may: I'm not reading it in Greek, so that's irrelevant. Spell it like an existing word and you only invite a reader to read it like an existing word.



                Ultimately, I'd posit that it's not that important as long as people understand you.



                (Also, SQL is not "sequel" and "arXiv" is not "ar-kh-iv" (and definitely not "archive").)




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                  Allow me to suggest a probably unpopular alternative: "latex" /ˈleɪtɛks/. Like the substance. Let it stand for whatever Greek letters it may: I'm not reading it in Greek, so that's irrelevant. Spell it like an existing word and you only invite a reader to read it like an existing word.



                  Ultimately, I'd posit that it's not that important as long as people understand you.



                  (Also, SQL is not "sequel" and "arXiv" is not "ar-kh-iv" (and definitely not "archive").)




                  Please don't downvote me too hard, I am but a simple foreigner...






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                  Allow me to suggest a probably unpopular alternative: "latex" /ˈleɪtɛks/. Like the substance. Let it stand for whatever Greek letters it may: I'm not reading it in Greek, so that's irrelevant. Spell it like an existing word and you only invite a reader to read it like an existing word.



                  Ultimately, I'd posit that it's not that important as long as people understand you.



                  (Also, SQL is not "sequel" and "arXiv" is not "ar-kh-iv" (and definitely not "archive").)




                  Please don't downvote me too hard, I am but a simple foreigner...







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