Symbol for a “twisted product”?












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I am trying to make a symbol for a "twisted product". I've tried stackrel:



$A mathbin{stackrel{sim}{times}} B$


but the sim floats too high above the times, causing unpleasant line spacing. I've also tried widetilde



$A mathbin{widetilde{times}} B$ 


but it has the same problem. Ideally I'd like the tilde to have the same width as the times and for the spacing between the two to be pretty tight.










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    Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

    – Matthew Leingang
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:20











  • I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

    – Sam Nead
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:57
















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I am trying to make a symbol for a "twisted product". I've tried stackrel:



$A mathbin{stackrel{sim}{times}} B$


but the sim floats too high above the times, causing unpleasant line spacing. I've also tried widetilde



$A mathbin{widetilde{times}} B$ 


but it has the same problem. Ideally I'd like the tilde to have the same width as the times and for the spacing between the two to be pretty tight.










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  • 1





    Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

    – Matthew Leingang
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:20











  • I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

    – Sam Nead
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:57














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I am trying to make a symbol for a "twisted product". I've tried stackrel:



$A mathbin{stackrel{sim}{times}} B$


but the sim floats too high above the times, causing unpleasant line spacing. I've also tried widetilde



$A mathbin{widetilde{times}} B$ 


but it has the same problem. Ideally I'd like the tilde to have the same width as the times and for the spacing between the two to be pretty tight.










share|improve this question
















I am trying to make a symbol for a "twisted product". I've tried stackrel:



$A mathbin{stackrel{sim}{times}} B$


but the sim floats too high above the times, causing unpleasant line spacing. I've also tried widetilde



$A mathbin{widetilde{times}} B$ 


but it has the same problem. Ideally I'd like the tilde to have the same width as the times and for the spacing between the two to be pretty tight.







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  • 1





    Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

    – Matthew Leingang
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:20











  • I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

    – Sam Nead
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:57














  • 1





    Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

    – Matthew Leingang
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:20











  • I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

    – Sam Nead
    Mar 3 '11 at 18:57








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Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

– Matthew Leingang
Mar 3 '11 at 18:20





Have a look at “How to look up a math symbol?” for ideas how you can easily find a particular symbol.

– Matthew Leingang
Mar 3 '11 at 18:20













I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

– Sam Nead
Mar 3 '11 at 18:57





I tried detexify and looking at the CTAN list. No joy.

– Sam Nead
Mar 3 '11 at 18:57










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Detexify didn't help, so maybe you really have to do it yourself:



newcommandsimtimes{mathbin{%
stackrel{sim}{smash{times}rule{0pt}{0.9ex}}%
}}


Adjust the 0.9ex to your needs.






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    Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

    – Sam Nead
    Mar 3 '11 at 19:03



















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The parameters 0.7 and 0.3 might be needed adjustment if used with different fonts.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{amsmath}
usepackage{graphicx}

% a general purpose macro
newcommand{xmathpalette}[2]{mathchoice
{#1displaystyletextfont{#2}}%
{#1textstyletextfont{#2}}%
{#1scriptstylescriptfont{#2}}%
{#1scriptscriptstylescriptscriptfont{#2}}%
}

makeatletter
newcommand{twistedproduct}{%
mathbin{xmathpalettetwisted@productrelax}%
}

newcommand{twisted@product}[3]{%
vbox{%
ialign{hfil##hfilcr
scalebox{0.7}{$m@th#1sim$}cr
noalign{nointerlineskipkern-0.3fontdimen5 #2 2}
$m@th#1times$cr
}%
}%
}
makeatother

begin{document}

$S^2twistedproduct S^2$ $X_{twistedproduct_{twistedproduct}}$

end{document}


The macro xmathpalette is an extension of mathpalette that makes also the font in the current style (textfont, scriptfont or scriptscriptfont). In this case we use it to access the x-height of the symbol font for the current style.



enter image description here






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    For slightly improved spacing displayed and inline, you can use ooalign. The code is



    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{%
    ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}%
    }}


    enter image description here



    If you will ever use the symbol in a subscript or superscript, mathchoice allows for greatly improved spacing in scriptstyle. The height of the sim is easily adjustable by changing the 1.15ex for display and inline, .85ex for script and (though I can't imagine using it) .65ex for scriptscript.



    documentclass{article}

    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{mathchoice%
    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
    {ooalign{raise.85exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
    {ooalign{raise.65exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptscriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
    }}

    begin{document}

    $S^2twprod S^2quad F_{S^2twprod S^2}$

    end{document}





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      As shown, ttimes has the same spacing as times. It adjusts automatically to the math style.



      documentclass{article}
      usepackage{stackengine,scalerel}
      newcommandttimes{mathbin{ThisStyle{ensurestackMath{%
      stackengine{-1LMpt}{SavedStyletimes}
      {SavedStyle_{hstretch{.9}{mkern1musim}}}{O}{c}{F}{T}{S}}}}}
      begin{document}
      $ Attimes C$par
      $ Atimes C$par
      $ scriptstyle Attimes C$par
      $ scriptstyle Atimes C$par
      $ scriptscriptstyle Attimes C$par
      $ scriptscriptstyle Atimes C$par
      end{document}


      enter image description here






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        Detexify didn't help, so maybe you really have to do it yourself:



        newcommandsimtimes{mathbin{%
        stackrel{sim}{smash{times}rule{0pt}{0.9ex}}%
        }}


        Adjust the 0.9ex to your needs.






        share|improve this answer



















        • 1





          Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

          – Sam Nead
          Mar 3 '11 at 19:03
















        11














        Detexify didn't help, so maybe you really have to do it yourself:



        newcommandsimtimes{mathbin{%
        stackrel{sim}{smash{times}rule{0pt}{0.9ex}}%
        }}


        Adjust the 0.9ex to your needs.






        share|improve this answer



















        • 1





          Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

          – Sam Nead
          Mar 3 '11 at 19:03














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        11







        Detexify didn't help, so maybe you really have to do it yourself:



        newcommandsimtimes{mathbin{%
        stackrel{sim}{smash{times}rule{0pt}{0.9ex}}%
        }}


        Adjust the 0.9ex to your needs.






        share|improve this answer













        Detexify didn't help, so maybe you really have to do it yourself:



        newcommandsimtimes{mathbin{%
        stackrel{sim}{smash{times}rule{0pt}{0.9ex}}%
        }}


        Adjust the 0.9ex to your needs.







        share|improve this answer












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          Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

          – Sam Nead
          Mar 3 '11 at 19:03














        • 1





          Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

          – Sam Nead
          Mar 3 '11 at 19:03








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        Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

        – Sam Nead
        Mar 3 '11 at 19:03





        Perfect. I used 0.6ex. Thank you very much!

        – Sam Nead
        Mar 3 '11 at 19:03











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        The parameters 0.7 and 0.3 might be needed adjustment if used with different fonts.



        documentclass{article}
        usepackage{amsmath}
        usepackage{graphicx}

        % a general purpose macro
        newcommand{xmathpalette}[2]{mathchoice
        {#1displaystyletextfont{#2}}%
        {#1textstyletextfont{#2}}%
        {#1scriptstylescriptfont{#2}}%
        {#1scriptscriptstylescriptscriptfont{#2}}%
        }

        makeatletter
        newcommand{twistedproduct}{%
        mathbin{xmathpalettetwisted@productrelax}%
        }

        newcommand{twisted@product}[3]{%
        vbox{%
        ialign{hfil##hfilcr
        scalebox{0.7}{$m@th#1sim$}cr
        noalign{nointerlineskipkern-0.3fontdimen5 #2 2}
        $m@th#1times$cr
        }%
        }%
        }
        makeatother

        begin{document}

        $S^2twistedproduct S^2$ $X_{twistedproduct_{twistedproduct}}$

        end{document}


        The macro xmathpalette is an extension of mathpalette that makes also the font in the current style (textfont, scriptfont or scriptscriptfont). In this case we use it to access the x-height of the symbol font for the current style.



        enter image description here






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          The parameters 0.7 and 0.3 might be needed adjustment if used with different fonts.



          documentclass{article}
          usepackage{amsmath}
          usepackage{graphicx}

          % a general purpose macro
          newcommand{xmathpalette}[2]{mathchoice
          {#1displaystyletextfont{#2}}%
          {#1textstyletextfont{#2}}%
          {#1scriptstylescriptfont{#2}}%
          {#1scriptscriptstylescriptscriptfont{#2}}%
          }

          makeatletter
          newcommand{twistedproduct}{%
          mathbin{xmathpalettetwisted@productrelax}%
          }

          newcommand{twisted@product}[3]{%
          vbox{%
          ialign{hfil##hfilcr
          scalebox{0.7}{$m@th#1sim$}cr
          noalign{nointerlineskipkern-0.3fontdimen5 #2 2}
          $m@th#1times$cr
          }%
          }%
          }
          makeatother

          begin{document}

          $S^2twistedproduct S^2$ $X_{twistedproduct_{twistedproduct}}$

          end{document}


          The macro xmathpalette is an extension of mathpalette that makes also the font in the current style (textfont, scriptfont or scriptscriptfont). In this case we use it to access the x-height of the symbol font for the current style.



          enter image description here






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            The parameters 0.7 and 0.3 might be needed adjustment if used with different fonts.



            documentclass{article}
            usepackage{amsmath}
            usepackage{graphicx}

            % a general purpose macro
            newcommand{xmathpalette}[2]{mathchoice
            {#1displaystyletextfont{#2}}%
            {#1textstyletextfont{#2}}%
            {#1scriptstylescriptfont{#2}}%
            {#1scriptscriptstylescriptscriptfont{#2}}%
            }

            makeatletter
            newcommand{twistedproduct}{%
            mathbin{xmathpalettetwisted@productrelax}%
            }

            newcommand{twisted@product}[3]{%
            vbox{%
            ialign{hfil##hfilcr
            scalebox{0.7}{$m@th#1sim$}cr
            noalign{nointerlineskipkern-0.3fontdimen5 #2 2}
            $m@th#1times$cr
            }%
            }%
            }
            makeatother

            begin{document}

            $S^2twistedproduct S^2$ $X_{twistedproduct_{twistedproduct}}$

            end{document}


            The macro xmathpalette is an extension of mathpalette that makes also the font in the current style (textfont, scriptfont or scriptscriptfont). In this case we use it to access the x-height of the symbol font for the current style.



            enter image description here






            share|improve this answer













            The parameters 0.7 and 0.3 might be needed adjustment if used with different fonts.



            documentclass{article}
            usepackage{amsmath}
            usepackage{graphicx}

            % a general purpose macro
            newcommand{xmathpalette}[2]{mathchoice
            {#1displaystyletextfont{#2}}%
            {#1textstyletextfont{#2}}%
            {#1scriptstylescriptfont{#2}}%
            {#1scriptscriptstylescriptscriptfont{#2}}%
            }

            makeatletter
            newcommand{twistedproduct}{%
            mathbin{xmathpalettetwisted@productrelax}%
            }

            newcommand{twisted@product}[3]{%
            vbox{%
            ialign{hfil##hfilcr
            scalebox{0.7}{$m@th#1sim$}cr
            noalign{nointerlineskipkern-0.3fontdimen5 #2 2}
            $m@th#1times$cr
            }%
            }%
            }
            makeatother

            begin{document}

            $S^2twistedproduct S^2$ $X_{twistedproduct_{twistedproduct}}$

            end{document}


            The macro xmathpalette is an extension of mathpalette that makes also the font in the current style (textfont, scriptfont or scriptscriptfont). In this case we use it to access the x-height of the symbol font for the current style.



            enter image description here







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                For slightly improved spacing displayed and inline, you can use ooalign. The code is



                newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{%
                ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}%
                }}


                enter image description here



                If you will ever use the symbol in a subscript or superscript, mathchoice allows for greatly improved spacing in scriptstyle. The height of the sim is easily adjustable by changing the 1.15ex for display and inline, .85ex for script and (though I can't imagine using it) .65ex for scriptscript.



                documentclass{article}

                newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{mathchoice%
                {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                {ooalign{raise.85exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                {ooalign{raise.65exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptscriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                }}

                begin{document}

                $S^2twprod S^2quad F_{S^2twprod S^2}$

                end{document}





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                  For slightly improved spacing displayed and inline, you can use ooalign. The code is



                  newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{%
                  ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}%
                  }}


                  enter image description here



                  If you will ever use the symbol in a subscript or superscript, mathchoice allows for greatly improved spacing in scriptstyle. The height of the sim is easily adjustable by changing the 1.15ex for display and inline, .85ex for script and (though I can't imagine using it) .65ex for scriptscript.



                  documentclass{article}

                  newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{mathchoice%
                  {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                  {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                  {ooalign{raise.85exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                  {ooalign{raise.65exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptscriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                  }}

                  begin{document}

                  $S^2twprod S^2quad F_{S^2twprod S^2}$

                  end{document}





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                    For slightly improved spacing displayed and inline, you can use ooalign. The code is



                    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{%
                    ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}%
                    }}


                    enter image description here



                    If you will ever use the symbol in a subscript or superscript, mathchoice allows for greatly improved spacing in scriptstyle. The height of the sim is easily adjustable by changing the 1.15ex for display and inline, .85ex for script and (though I can't imagine using it) .65ex for scriptscript.



                    documentclass{article}

                    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{mathchoice%
                    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise.85exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise.65exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptscriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                    }}

                    begin{document}

                    $S^2twprod S^2quad F_{S^2twprod S^2}$

                    end{document}





                    share|improve this answer













                    For slightly improved spacing displayed and inline, you can use ooalign. The code is



                    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{%
                    ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}%
                    }}


                    enter image description here



                    If you will ever use the symbol in a subscript or superscript, mathchoice allows for greatly improved spacing in scriptstyle. The height of the sim is easily adjustable by changing the 1.15ex for display and inline, .85ex for script and (though I can't imagine using it) .65ex for scriptscript.



                    documentclass{article}

                    newcommand{twprod}{mathbin{mathchoice%
                    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise1.15exhbox{$scriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$times$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise.85exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                    {ooalign{raise.65exhbox{$scriptscriptstylesim$}crhidewidth$scriptscriptstyletimes$hidewidthcr}}%
                    }}

                    begin{document}

                    $S^2twprod S^2quad F_{S^2twprod S^2}$

                    end{document}






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                        As shown, ttimes has the same spacing as times. It adjusts automatically to the math style.



                        documentclass{article}
                        usepackage{stackengine,scalerel}
                        newcommandttimes{mathbin{ThisStyle{ensurestackMath{%
                        stackengine{-1LMpt}{SavedStyletimes}
                        {SavedStyle_{hstretch{.9}{mkern1musim}}}{O}{c}{F}{T}{S}}}}}
                        begin{document}
                        $ Attimes C$par
                        $ Atimes C$par
                        $ scriptstyle Attimes C$par
                        $ scriptstyle Atimes C$par
                        $ scriptscriptstyle Attimes C$par
                        $ scriptscriptstyle Atimes C$par
                        end{document}


                        enter image description here






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                          As shown, ttimes has the same spacing as times. It adjusts automatically to the math style.



                          documentclass{article}
                          usepackage{stackengine,scalerel}
                          newcommandttimes{mathbin{ThisStyle{ensurestackMath{%
                          stackengine{-1LMpt}{SavedStyletimes}
                          {SavedStyle_{hstretch{.9}{mkern1musim}}}{O}{c}{F}{T}{S}}}}}
                          begin{document}
                          $ Attimes C$par
                          $ Atimes C$par
                          $ scriptstyle Attimes C$par
                          $ scriptstyle Atimes C$par
                          $ scriptscriptstyle Attimes C$par
                          $ scriptscriptstyle Atimes C$par
                          end{document}


                          enter image description here






                          share|improve this answer


























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                            As shown, ttimes has the same spacing as times. It adjusts automatically to the math style.



                            documentclass{article}
                            usepackage{stackengine,scalerel}
                            newcommandttimes{mathbin{ThisStyle{ensurestackMath{%
                            stackengine{-1LMpt}{SavedStyletimes}
                            {SavedStyle_{hstretch{.9}{mkern1musim}}}{O}{c}{F}{T}{S}}}}}
                            begin{document}
                            $ Attimes C$par
                            $ Atimes C$par
                            $ scriptstyle Attimes C$par
                            $ scriptstyle Atimes C$par
                            $ scriptscriptstyle Attimes C$par
                            $ scriptscriptstyle Atimes C$par
                            end{document}


                            enter image description here






                            share|improve this answer













                            As shown, ttimes has the same spacing as times. It adjusts automatically to the math style.



                            documentclass{article}
                            usepackage{stackengine,scalerel}
                            newcommandttimes{mathbin{ThisStyle{ensurestackMath{%
                            stackengine{-1LMpt}{SavedStyletimes}
                            {SavedStyle_{hstretch{.9}{mkern1musim}}}{O}{c}{F}{T}{S}}}}}
                            begin{document}
                            $ Attimes C$par
                            $ Atimes C$par
                            $ scriptstyle Attimes C$par
                            $ scriptstyle Atimes C$par
                            $ scriptscriptstyle Attimes C$par
                            $ scriptscriptstyle Atimes C$par
                            end{document}


                            enter image description here







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