Which “Walker” is Thoreau referring to in “A Plea for Captain John Brown”?
“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. A Plea for Captain John Brown.
Who was Walker?
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“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. A Plea for Captain John Brown.
Who was Walker?
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I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
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“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. A Plea for Captain John Brown.
Who was Walker?
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“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. A Plea for Captain John Brown.
Who was Walker?
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I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
2 hours ago
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I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
2 hours ago
I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
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“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. “A Plea for Captain John Brown.”
Who was Walker?
Short Answer:
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential abolitionist from North Carolina who left the south and moved to Boston five years before his death. Walker in leaving the south spoke of his discomfort being in the presence of slave holders and expressing concern for his own life if he had stayed in the south. Walker is known for his four part essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. David Walker who like John Brown called for slaves to violently resist slave holders, is credited with radicalizing the abolitionist movement through his writings and essays.
In the sentence given, Henry David Thoreau is about to proclaim John Brown most exceptional because he stayed endured the discomfort which Walker had retreated from and ultimately gave his life for his ideals. Thoreau does this not to diminish Walker, but to promote Brown; the subject of his essay.
Detailed Answer
First to clarify, Captain Brown refers to the militant abolitionist John Brown who lead a raid on the Federal armory at Harpers Ferry in what then was Virginia, in a failed attempt to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed on December 2, 1859. Brown's raid was one of the harbingers of the American Civil War. Henry David Thoreau's in his essay, "A Plea for Captain John Brown" defends John Brown as an exceptional man to be placed above other exceptional men like Walker.
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential African American abolitionist who was from Wilmington North Carolina but who ultimately settled in Boston Ma, five years before he died 1830. David Walker wrote the influential Abolitionist essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. This essay is credited by historians for radicalizing the northern Abolitionist movement.
Born a free man in North Carolina, David Walker chose to leave the South and contribute to the resistance, removed from the influences of the slave states.
David Walker
"If I remain in this bloody land, I will not live long...I cannot remain where I must hear slaves' chains continually and where I must encounter the insults of their hypocritical enslavers."
Walker like John Brown urged slaves to resist slavery through violent means. Thoreau was drawing a comparison between the two Abolitionists in the paragraph from the question. David Walker the well known respected influential abolitionist, and Brown who is about to be tried and executed, who Thoreau says is even more exceptional. Thoreau isn't trying to drag Walker down as to draw peoples attention to how exceptional John Brown is.
Saying John Brown was a superior man because he stayed, endured, and struggled against slavery. John Brown did not value his life above his ideals. John brown did not leave to make his life more comfortable but threw himself at the machinery of slavery. John Brown resisted unjust laws. Painting Brown as the more idealistic and pure of the two who ultimately was giving his life to his ideals.
If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say Brown was a the representative of the North. He was a superior man. He did not value his bodily life in comparison with ideal things. He did not recognize unjust human laws but resisted them as he was bid. For once we lifted out of the trivialness and dust of politics into the region of truth and manhood. No man in in American has ever stood up so persistently and effectively for the dignity of human nature, knowing himself for a man, and the equal of any and all governments. In that sense he was the most American of us All. He needed no babbling lawyer, making false issues, to defend him. He was more than a match for all the judges that American voters, or office-holders of whatever grade, can create. H could not have been tried by a jury of his peers, because his peers did not exist."
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Walker: David Walker (1785–1830), a black abolitionist who urged slaves to use violence to win freedom.
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
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I don't know, but one possible candidate would be William Walker (1824-1860) who led several private military "filibustering" expeditions into Central America to establish new slave states for the USA. He made himself president of Nicaragua from 1856-1857.
He was born in Nashville Tennessee, and usually lived in the South, so he could be considered a southerner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)1
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I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
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@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
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Question:
“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. “A Plea for Captain John Brown.”
Who was Walker?
Short Answer:
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential abolitionist from North Carolina who left the south and moved to Boston five years before his death. Walker in leaving the south spoke of his discomfort being in the presence of slave holders and expressing concern for his own life if he had stayed in the south. Walker is known for his four part essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. David Walker who like John Brown called for slaves to violently resist slave holders, is credited with radicalizing the abolitionist movement through his writings and essays.
In the sentence given, Henry David Thoreau is about to proclaim John Brown most exceptional because he stayed endured the discomfort which Walker had retreated from and ultimately gave his life for his ideals. Thoreau does this not to diminish Walker, but to promote Brown; the subject of his essay.
Detailed Answer
First to clarify, Captain Brown refers to the militant abolitionist John Brown who lead a raid on the Federal armory at Harpers Ferry in what then was Virginia, in a failed attempt to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed on December 2, 1859. Brown's raid was one of the harbingers of the American Civil War. Henry David Thoreau's in his essay, "A Plea for Captain John Brown" defends John Brown as an exceptional man to be placed above other exceptional men like Walker.
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential African American abolitionist who was from Wilmington North Carolina but who ultimately settled in Boston Ma, five years before he died 1830. David Walker wrote the influential Abolitionist essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. This essay is credited by historians for radicalizing the northern Abolitionist movement.
Born a free man in North Carolina, David Walker chose to leave the South and contribute to the resistance, removed from the influences of the slave states.
David Walker
"If I remain in this bloody land, I will not live long...I cannot remain where I must hear slaves' chains continually and where I must encounter the insults of their hypocritical enslavers."
Walker like John Brown urged slaves to resist slavery through violent means. Thoreau was drawing a comparison between the two Abolitionists in the paragraph from the question. David Walker the well known respected influential abolitionist, and Brown who is about to be tried and executed, who Thoreau says is even more exceptional. Thoreau isn't trying to drag Walker down as to draw peoples attention to how exceptional John Brown is.
Saying John Brown was a superior man because he stayed, endured, and struggled against slavery. John Brown did not value his life above his ideals. John brown did not leave to make his life more comfortable but threw himself at the machinery of slavery. John Brown resisted unjust laws. Painting Brown as the more idealistic and pure of the two who ultimately was giving his life to his ideals.
If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say Brown was a the representative of the North. He was a superior man. He did not value his bodily life in comparison with ideal things. He did not recognize unjust human laws but resisted them as he was bid. For once we lifted out of the trivialness and dust of politics into the region of truth and manhood. No man in in American has ever stood up so persistently and effectively for the dignity of human nature, knowing himself for a man, and the equal of any and all governments. In that sense he was the most American of us All. He needed no babbling lawyer, making false issues, to defend him. He was more than a match for all the judges that American voters, or office-holders of whatever grade, can create. H could not have been tried by a jury of his peers, because his peers did not exist."
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Encyclopedia Brown, John And Henry David Thoreau
Walker: David Walker (1785–1830), a black abolitionist who urged slaves to use violence to win freedom.
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Question:
“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. “A Plea for Captain John Brown.”
Who was Walker?
Short Answer:
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential abolitionist from North Carolina who left the south and moved to Boston five years before his death. Walker in leaving the south spoke of his discomfort being in the presence of slave holders and expressing concern for his own life if he had stayed in the south. Walker is known for his four part essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. David Walker who like John Brown called for slaves to violently resist slave holders, is credited with radicalizing the abolitionist movement through his writings and essays.
In the sentence given, Henry David Thoreau is about to proclaim John Brown most exceptional because he stayed endured the discomfort which Walker had retreated from and ultimately gave his life for his ideals. Thoreau does this not to diminish Walker, but to promote Brown; the subject of his essay.
Detailed Answer
First to clarify, Captain Brown refers to the militant abolitionist John Brown who lead a raid on the Federal armory at Harpers Ferry in what then was Virginia, in a failed attempt to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed on December 2, 1859. Brown's raid was one of the harbingers of the American Civil War. Henry David Thoreau's in his essay, "A Plea for Captain John Brown" defends John Brown as an exceptional man to be placed above other exceptional men like Walker.
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential African American abolitionist who was from Wilmington North Carolina but who ultimately settled in Boston Ma, five years before he died 1830. David Walker wrote the influential Abolitionist essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. This essay is credited by historians for radicalizing the northern Abolitionist movement.
Born a free man in North Carolina, David Walker chose to leave the South and contribute to the resistance, removed from the influences of the slave states.
David Walker
"If I remain in this bloody land, I will not live long...I cannot remain where I must hear slaves' chains continually and where I must encounter the insults of their hypocritical enslavers."
Walker like John Brown urged slaves to resist slavery through violent means. Thoreau was drawing a comparison between the two Abolitionists in the paragraph from the question. David Walker the well known respected influential abolitionist, and Brown who is about to be tried and executed, who Thoreau says is even more exceptional. Thoreau isn't trying to drag Walker down as to draw peoples attention to how exceptional John Brown is.
Saying John Brown was a superior man because he stayed, endured, and struggled against slavery. John Brown did not value his life above his ideals. John brown did not leave to make his life more comfortable but threw himself at the machinery of slavery. John Brown resisted unjust laws. Painting Brown as the more idealistic and pure of the two who ultimately was giving his life to his ideals.
If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say Brown was a the representative of the North. He was a superior man. He did not value his bodily life in comparison with ideal things. He did not recognize unjust human laws but resisted them as he was bid. For once we lifted out of the trivialness and dust of politics into the region of truth and manhood. No man in in American has ever stood up so persistently and effectively for the dignity of human nature, knowing himself for a man, and the equal of any and all governments. In that sense he was the most American of us All. He needed no babbling lawyer, making false issues, to defend him. He was more than a match for all the judges that American voters, or office-holders of whatever grade, can create. H could not have been tried by a jury of his peers, because his peers did not exist."
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Encyclopedia Brown, John And Henry David Thoreau
Walker: David Walker (1785–1830), a black abolitionist who urged slaves to use violence to win freedom.
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Question:
“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. “A Plea for Captain John Brown.”
Who was Walker?
Short Answer:
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential abolitionist from North Carolina who left the south and moved to Boston five years before his death. Walker in leaving the south spoke of his discomfort being in the presence of slave holders and expressing concern for his own life if he had stayed in the south. Walker is known for his four part essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. David Walker who like John Brown called for slaves to violently resist slave holders, is credited with radicalizing the abolitionist movement through his writings and essays.
In the sentence given, Henry David Thoreau is about to proclaim John Brown most exceptional because he stayed endured the discomfort which Walker had retreated from and ultimately gave his life for his ideals. Thoreau does this not to diminish Walker, but to promote Brown; the subject of his essay.
Detailed Answer
First to clarify, Captain Brown refers to the militant abolitionist John Brown who lead a raid on the Federal armory at Harpers Ferry in what then was Virginia, in a failed attempt to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed on December 2, 1859. Brown's raid was one of the harbingers of the American Civil War. Henry David Thoreau's in his essay, "A Plea for Captain John Brown" defends John Brown as an exceptional man to be placed above other exceptional men like Walker.
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential African American abolitionist who was from Wilmington North Carolina but who ultimately settled in Boston Ma, five years before he died 1830. David Walker wrote the influential Abolitionist essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. This essay is credited by historians for radicalizing the northern Abolitionist movement.
Born a free man in North Carolina, David Walker chose to leave the South and contribute to the resistance, removed from the influences of the slave states.
David Walker
"If I remain in this bloody land, I will not live long...I cannot remain where I must hear slaves' chains continually and where I must encounter the insults of their hypocritical enslavers."
Walker like John Brown urged slaves to resist slavery through violent means. Thoreau was drawing a comparison between the two Abolitionists in the paragraph from the question. David Walker the well known respected influential abolitionist, and Brown who is about to be tried and executed, who Thoreau says is even more exceptional. Thoreau isn't trying to drag Walker down as to draw peoples attention to how exceptional John Brown is.
Saying John Brown was a superior man because he stayed, endured, and struggled against slavery. John Brown did not value his life above his ideals. John brown did not leave to make his life more comfortable but threw himself at the machinery of slavery. John Brown resisted unjust laws. Painting Brown as the more idealistic and pure of the two who ultimately was giving his life to his ideals.
If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say Brown was a the representative of the North. He was a superior man. He did not value his bodily life in comparison with ideal things. He did not recognize unjust human laws but resisted them as he was bid. For once we lifted out of the trivialness and dust of politics into the region of truth and manhood. No man in in American has ever stood up so persistently and effectively for the dignity of human nature, knowing himself for a man, and the equal of any and all governments. In that sense he was the most American of us All. He needed no babbling lawyer, making false issues, to defend him. He was more than a match for all the judges that American voters, or office-holders of whatever grade, can create. H could not have been tried by a jury of his peers, because his peers did not exist."
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Encyclopedia Brown, John And Henry David Thoreau
Walker: David Walker (1785–1830), a black abolitionist who urged slaves to use violence to win freedom.
Question:
“If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say that Brown was the representative of the North. He was a superior man.”
Excerpt From: Henry David Thoreau. “A Plea for Captain John Brown.”
Who was Walker?
Short Answer:
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential abolitionist from North Carolina who left the south and moved to Boston five years before his death. Walker in leaving the south spoke of his discomfort being in the presence of slave holders and expressing concern for his own life if he had stayed in the south. Walker is known for his four part essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. David Walker who like John Brown called for slaves to violently resist slave holders, is credited with radicalizing the abolitionist movement through his writings and essays.
In the sentence given, Henry David Thoreau is about to proclaim John Brown most exceptional because he stayed endured the discomfort which Walker had retreated from and ultimately gave his life for his ideals. Thoreau does this not to diminish Walker, but to promote Brown; the subject of his essay.
Detailed Answer
First to clarify, Captain Brown refers to the militant abolitionist John Brown who lead a raid on the Federal armory at Harpers Ferry in what then was Virginia, in a failed attempt to start a slave rebellion. Brown was executed on December 2, 1859. Brown's raid was one of the harbingers of the American Civil War. Henry David Thoreau's in his essay, "A Plea for Captain John Brown" defends John Brown as an exceptional man to be placed above other exceptional men like Walker.
Walker is David Walker a famous and influential African American abolitionist who was from Wilmington North Carolina but who ultimately settled in Boston Ma, five years before he died 1830. David Walker wrote the influential Abolitionist essay Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World. This essay is credited by historians for radicalizing the northern Abolitionist movement.
Born a free man in North Carolina, David Walker chose to leave the South and contribute to the resistance, removed from the influences of the slave states.
David Walker
"If I remain in this bloody land, I will not live long...I cannot remain where I must hear slaves' chains continually and where I must encounter the insults of their hypocritical enslavers."
Walker like John Brown urged slaves to resist slavery through violent means. Thoreau was drawing a comparison between the two Abolitionists in the paragraph from the question. David Walker the well known respected influential abolitionist, and Brown who is about to be tried and executed, who Thoreau says is even more exceptional. Thoreau isn't trying to drag Walker down as to draw peoples attention to how exceptional John Brown is.
Saying John Brown was a superior man because he stayed, endured, and struggled against slavery. John Brown did not value his life above his ideals. John brown did not leave to make his life more comfortable but threw himself at the machinery of slavery. John Brown resisted unjust laws. Painting Brown as the more idealistic and pure of the two who ultimately was giving his life to his ideals.
If Walker may be considered the representative of the South, I wish I could say Brown was a the representative of the North. He was a superior man. He did not value his bodily life in comparison with ideal things. He did not recognize unjust human laws but resisted them as he was bid. For once we lifted out of the trivialness and dust of politics into the region of truth and manhood. No man in in American has ever stood up so persistently and effectively for the dignity of human nature, knowing himself for a man, and the equal of any and all governments. In that sense he was the most American of us All. He needed no babbling lawyer, making false issues, to defend him. He was more than a match for all the judges that American voters, or office-holders of whatever grade, can create. H could not have been tried by a jury of his peers, because his peers did not exist."
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Encyclopedia Brown, John And Henry David Thoreau
Walker: David Walker (1785–1830), a black abolitionist who urged slaves to use violence to win freedom.
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Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
Arguments aside, this answer asserts a specific person. Is there any documentary evidence (from say historians or contemporaries) that this is the person Thoreau was referring to? Or is this just personal logic and speculation?
– T.E.D.♦
20 mins ago
add a comment |
I don't know, but one possible candidate would be William Walker (1824-1860) who led several private military "filibustering" expeditions into Central America to establish new slave states for the USA. He made himself president of Nicaragua from 1856-1857.
He was born in Nashville Tennessee, and usually lived in the South, so he could be considered a southerner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)1
1
I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
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I don't know, but one possible candidate would be William Walker (1824-1860) who led several private military "filibustering" expeditions into Central America to establish new slave states for the USA. He made himself president of Nicaragua from 1856-1857.
He was born in Nashville Tennessee, and usually lived in the South, so he could be considered a southerner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)1
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I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
57 mins ago
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I don't know, but one possible candidate would be William Walker (1824-1860) who led several private military "filibustering" expeditions into Central America to establish new slave states for the USA. He made himself president of Nicaragua from 1856-1857.
He was born in Nashville Tennessee, and usually lived in the South, so he could be considered a southerner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)1
I don't know, but one possible candidate would be William Walker (1824-1860) who led several private military "filibustering" expeditions into Central America to establish new slave states for the USA. He made himself president of Nicaragua from 1856-1857.
He was born in Nashville Tennessee, and usually lived in the South, so he could be considered a southerner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)1
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I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
57 mins ago
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show 5 more comments
1
I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
57 mins ago
1
1
I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
I think this is a pretty good candidate, as the parallels between Walker's rogue military adventuring and Brown's are fairly obvious. Also, he appears to have been quite famous at the time, which would justify the single name identification. Particularly in 1859, when this speech was written, and Walker had just been kicked out of Nicaragua and was back in the US, receiving no small amount of acclaim.
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@T.E.D. I agree. I don’t think another abolitionist makes sense.
– dwstein
2 hours ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@dwstein and ted, if you read the complete paragraph under the given sentence, Thoreau is contrasting Walker with John brown. Brown being exceptional because he placed himself in danger actively confronting his opponents. There is no contrast to be found if he is referring to William Walker, because William walker too was a man of action, although on the other side of the argument.
– JMS
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@JMS I hear you. It just seems odd to suggest an abolitionist would represent the south, a black man no less. It seems odd that Thoreau would be so negative about walker the abolitionist.
– dwstein
1 hour ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
57 mins ago
@dwstein, I year you too, 21st century political correctness aside, If Thoreau was contrasting a Southern Slave holder with John Brown one would think he could have found better reasons for calling Brown Exceptional beyond putting his ideals ahead of his personal safety and comfort. He must of been talking about two abolitionists even radical abolitionists such as David Walker and Brown because that's the only thing which negates the necessity to actually present their otherwise opposing ideals in the comparison.
– JMS
57 mins ago
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I believe it was David Walker, but I don't have time right now to search for a supporting citation.
– sempaiscuba♦
5 hours ago
Why would that Walker be a representative of the south?
– dwstein
4 hours ago
He was born in North Carolina. Thoreau was comparing abolitionists who advocated armed struggle. Brown was a northerner, while Walker was born in the South.
– sempaiscuba♦
4 hours ago
I can't see a typical Southerner conceding the point that a former slave is a good "representative of The South".
– T.E.D.♦
2 hours ago
What research have you done?
– Mark C. Wallace♦
2 hours ago