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          Turing never built a physical Turing machine. The point of Turing machines was not to be a practical physical computer but to formalize what it's possible to compute and, indeed, to formalize what "computation" even means.






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            "Turing machines" (or "a-machines") are a mathematical concept, not actual, physical devices. Turing came up with them in order to write mathematical proofs about computers, with the following logic:




            • Writing proofs about physical wires and switches is extremely difficult.

            • Writing proofs about Turing machines is (relatively) easy.

            • Anything physical wires and switches can do, you can build a Turing machine to do (*).


            But Turing never built an actual machine that wrote symbols on a paper tape. Other people have, but only as a demonstration: here's one you can make out of a business card, for example.



            Why did he never build a physical Turing machine? To put it simply, it just wouldn't be that useful. The thing is, nobody's ever come up with a model of computation that's stronger than a Turing machine (in that it can compute things a Turing machine can't). And it's been proven that several other models of computation, such as the lambda calculus or the Python programming language, are "Turing-complete": they can do everything a Turing machine can.



            So for anything except a mathematical proof, it's generally much more useful to use one of these other models. Then you can use the Turing machines in your proofs without any loss of generality.



            (*) Specifically, any calculation: a Turing machine can't turn on a lightbulb, for example, but lightbulbs aren't very interesting from a theory-of-computation standpoint.






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              The TM only exists on paper. It is a theoretical model of computation. It actually can't be built (because the tape is infinitely long).



              So, the answer is: no, Turing never built a TM in real life, because he can't.






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              • What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
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              • It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                – David Richerby
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              • @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                – xuq01
                3 hours ago










              • @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                – xuq01
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              This is not exactly an answer to the question. However, I cannot help making some serious fun.



              Claim One: Lots of Turing machines have been built, by Alan Turing or by many others.

              Proof. I am sure Alan Turing might have pointed to a piece of junk and said, "look, this is a Turing machine that just halt at its very first step given any input". Me too.



              Claim Two: It is undecidable whether someone has built a Turing machine with unbounded tape.

              Proof. Here I claim that I have built one. However, to show each additional bit of its tape, it will take another day. Even I am not certain whether I have built a Turing machine or not.






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                  Turing never built a physical Turing machine. The point of Turing machines was not to be a practical physical computer but to formalize what it's possible to compute and, indeed, to formalize what "computation" even means.






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                    Turing never built a physical Turing machine. The point of Turing machines was not to be a practical physical computer but to formalize what it's possible to compute and, indeed, to formalize what "computation" even means.






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                        "Turing machines" (or "a-machines") are a mathematical concept, not actual, physical devices. Turing came up with them in order to write mathematical proofs about computers, with the following logic:




                        • Writing proofs about physical wires and switches is extremely difficult.

                        • Writing proofs about Turing machines is (relatively) easy.

                        • Anything physical wires and switches can do, you can build a Turing machine to do (*).


                        But Turing never built an actual machine that wrote symbols on a paper tape. Other people have, but only as a demonstration: here's one you can make out of a business card, for example.



                        Why did he never build a physical Turing machine? To put it simply, it just wouldn't be that useful. The thing is, nobody's ever come up with a model of computation that's stronger than a Turing machine (in that it can compute things a Turing machine can't). And it's been proven that several other models of computation, such as the lambda calculus or the Python programming language, are "Turing-complete": they can do everything a Turing machine can.



                        So for anything except a mathematical proof, it's generally much more useful to use one of these other models. Then you can use the Turing machines in your proofs without any loss of generality.



                        (*) Specifically, any calculation: a Turing machine can't turn on a lightbulb, for example, but lightbulbs aren't very interesting from a theory-of-computation standpoint.






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                          "Turing machines" (or "a-machines") are a mathematical concept, not actual, physical devices. Turing came up with them in order to write mathematical proofs about computers, with the following logic:




                          • Writing proofs about physical wires and switches is extremely difficult.

                          • Writing proofs about Turing machines is (relatively) easy.

                          • Anything physical wires and switches can do, you can build a Turing machine to do (*).


                          But Turing never built an actual machine that wrote symbols on a paper tape. Other people have, but only as a demonstration: here's one you can make out of a business card, for example.



                          Why did he never build a physical Turing machine? To put it simply, it just wouldn't be that useful. The thing is, nobody's ever come up with a model of computation that's stronger than a Turing machine (in that it can compute things a Turing machine can't). And it's been proven that several other models of computation, such as the lambda calculus or the Python programming language, are "Turing-complete": they can do everything a Turing machine can.



                          So for anything except a mathematical proof, it's generally much more useful to use one of these other models. Then you can use the Turing machines in your proofs without any loss of generality.



                          (*) Specifically, any calculation: a Turing machine can't turn on a lightbulb, for example, but lightbulbs aren't very interesting from a theory-of-computation standpoint.






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                            "Turing machines" (or "a-machines") are a mathematical concept, not actual, physical devices. Turing came up with them in order to write mathematical proofs about computers, with the following logic:




                            • Writing proofs about physical wires and switches is extremely difficult.

                            • Writing proofs about Turing machines is (relatively) easy.

                            • Anything physical wires and switches can do, you can build a Turing machine to do (*).


                            But Turing never built an actual machine that wrote symbols on a paper tape. Other people have, but only as a demonstration: here's one you can make out of a business card, for example.



                            Why did he never build a physical Turing machine? To put it simply, it just wouldn't be that useful. The thing is, nobody's ever come up with a model of computation that's stronger than a Turing machine (in that it can compute things a Turing machine can't). And it's been proven that several other models of computation, such as the lambda calculus or the Python programming language, are "Turing-complete": they can do everything a Turing machine can.



                            So for anything except a mathematical proof, it's generally much more useful to use one of these other models. Then you can use the Turing machines in your proofs without any loss of generality.



                            (*) Specifically, any calculation: a Turing machine can't turn on a lightbulb, for example, but lightbulbs aren't very interesting from a theory-of-computation standpoint.






                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            "Turing machines" (or "a-machines") are a mathematical concept, not actual, physical devices. Turing came up with them in order to write mathematical proofs about computers, with the following logic:




                            • Writing proofs about physical wires and switches is extremely difficult.

                            • Writing proofs about Turing machines is (relatively) easy.

                            • Anything physical wires and switches can do, you can build a Turing machine to do (*).


                            But Turing never built an actual machine that wrote symbols on a paper tape. Other people have, but only as a demonstration: here's one you can make out of a business card, for example.



                            Why did he never build a physical Turing machine? To put it simply, it just wouldn't be that useful. The thing is, nobody's ever come up with a model of computation that's stronger than a Turing machine (in that it can compute things a Turing machine can't). And it's been proven that several other models of computation, such as the lambda calculus or the Python programming language, are "Turing-complete": they can do everything a Turing machine can.



                            So for anything except a mathematical proof, it's generally much more useful to use one of these other models. Then you can use the Turing machines in your proofs without any loss of generality.



                            (*) Specifically, any calculation: a Turing machine can't turn on a lightbulb, for example, but lightbulbs aren't very interesting from a theory-of-computation standpoint.







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                                The TM only exists on paper. It is a theoretical model of computation. It actually can't be built (because the tape is infinitely long).



                                So, the answer is: no, Turing never built a TM in real life, because he can't.






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                                • What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                  – Pilpel
                                  4 hours ago










                                • It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                  – David Richerby
                                  4 hours ago










                                • @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago










                                • @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago















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                                The TM only exists on paper. It is a theoretical model of computation. It actually can't be built (because the tape is infinitely long).



                                So, the answer is: no, Turing never built a TM in real life, because he can't.






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                                • What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                  – Pilpel
                                  4 hours ago










                                • It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                  – David Richerby
                                  4 hours ago










                                • @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago










                                • @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago













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                                The TM only exists on paper. It is a theoretical model of computation. It actually can't be built (because the tape is infinitely long).



                                So, the answer is: no, Turing never built a TM in real life, because he can't.






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                                The TM only exists on paper. It is a theoretical model of computation. It actually can't be built (because the tape is infinitely long).



                                So, the answer is: no, Turing never built a TM in real life, because he can't.







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                                • What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                  – Pilpel
                                  4 hours ago










                                • It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                  – David Richerby
                                  4 hours ago










                                • @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago










                                • @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago


















                                • What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                  – Pilpel
                                  4 hours ago










                                • It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                  – David Richerby
                                  4 hours ago










                                • @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago










                                • @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                  – xuq01
                                  3 hours ago
















                                What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                – Pilpel
                                4 hours ago




                                What did he build then? I thought we define that tape to be infinitely long because in practice we could have a really long one so it's not a limitation)
                                – Pilpel
                                4 hours ago












                                It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                – David Richerby
                                4 hours ago




                                It's perfectly possible to build a Turing machine. The tape doesn't need to be infinitely long: you just need to add some more every time the machine reaches the end.
                                – David Richerby
                                4 hours ago












                                @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                – xuq01
                                3 hours ago




                                @DavidRicherby Rather I should say that there are TMs which can't possibly be built, e.g. a TM that moves its head right at each step. This will require literally infinite tape.
                                – xuq01
                                3 hours ago












                                @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                – xuq01
                                3 hours ago




                                @Pilpel I don't think he actually built anything. Turing was a pure mathematician and worked solely on paper.
                                – xuq01
                                3 hours ago










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                                This is not exactly an answer to the question. However, I cannot help making some serious fun.



                                Claim One: Lots of Turing machines have been built, by Alan Turing or by many others.

                                Proof. I am sure Alan Turing might have pointed to a piece of junk and said, "look, this is a Turing machine that just halt at its very first step given any input". Me too.



                                Claim Two: It is undecidable whether someone has built a Turing machine with unbounded tape.

                                Proof. Here I claim that I have built one. However, to show each additional bit of its tape, it will take another day. Even I am not certain whether I have built a Turing machine or not.






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                                  This is not exactly an answer to the question. However, I cannot help making some serious fun.



                                  Claim One: Lots of Turing machines have been built, by Alan Turing or by many others.

                                  Proof. I am sure Alan Turing might have pointed to a piece of junk and said, "look, this is a Turing machine that just halt at its very first step given any input". Me too.



                                  Claim Two: It is undecidable whether someone has built a Turing machine with unbounded tape.

                                  Proof. Here I claim that I have built one. However, to show each additional bit of its tape, it will take another day. Even I am not certain whether I have built a Turing machine or not.






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                                    This is not exactly an answer to the question. However, I cannot help making some serious fun.



                                    Claim One: Lots of Turing machines have been built, by Alan Turing or by many others.

                                    Proof. I am sure Alan Turing might have pointed to a piece of junk and said, "look, this is a Turing machine that just halt at its very first step given any input". Me too.



                                    Claim Two: It is undecidable whether someone has built a Turing machine with unbounded tape.

                                    Proof. Here I claim that I have built one. However, to show each additional bit of its tape, it will take another day. Even I am not certain whether I have built a Turing machine or not.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer












                                    This is not exactly an answer to the question. However, I cannot help making some serious fun.



                                    Claim One: Lots of Turing machines have been built, by Alan Turing or by many others.

                                    Proof. I am sure Alan Turing might have pointed to a piece of junk and said, "look, this is a Turing machine that just halt at its very first step given any input". Me too.



                                    Claim Two: It is undecidable whether someone has built a Turing machine with unbounded tape.

                                    Proof. Here I claim that I have built one. However, to show each additional bit of its tape, it will take another day. Even I am not certain whether I have built a Turing machine or not.







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