When was the phrase “smoke-filled room” first used in politics?





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Smoke-filled room is used in politics to mean:




a room (as in a hotel) in which a small group of politicians carry on negotiations





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The phrase originated in the U.S. to describe decision making done behind closed doors, cloaked in secrecy, and in the early 20th century, probably clouded in literal tobacco smoke.



Merriam-Webster and other sources point to 1920 as the origin date of the expression. Indeed, early uses of this that I can find phrase appear to be in reference to the 1920 Republican nomination of Warren Harding, but I can't find any text references that actually date back to 1920 or the closely subsequent years.



For example, this clipping refers to "the 'smoke-filled room' nomination of Harding."




The old guard dominated, or nearly dominated, republican conventions from that time on. Its members had much to do with the steam-rolling of Roosevelt in 1912 and the "smoke-filled room" nomination of Harding in 1920.






  • 1933 - Marshfield News-Herald (Marshfield, Wisconsin) 22 Feb. 3/3 (paywall)


Searching book and newspaper corpora, I found that most references to the phrase "smoke-filled room" in the 1920s were literally discussing fires. In the 1930s, the meaning related to politics seemed to become more prevalent than literal uses.



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Given how often this phrase is explained as a reference to the nomination of Harding, are there examples that can be found in print showing that the term itself was used at the time to describe the nomination process, or did "smoke-filled room" come to describe the nomination contemporaneously? And is it possible to tell approximately when was the term generalized to refer to private political meetings unrelated to the Harding nomination?










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  • The earliest that Ngram easily finds is 1942, but that passage hints at the expression going back to the 1920s if not the 1760s.
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Smoke-filled room is used in politics to mean:




a room (as in a hotel) in which a small group of politicians carry on negotiations





  • Merriam-Webster


The phrase originated in the U.S. to describe decision making done behind closed doors, cloaked in secrecy, and in the early 20th century, probably clouded in literal tobacco smoke.



Merriam-Webster and other sources point to 1920 as the origin date of the expression. Indeed, early uses of this that I can find phrase appear to be in reference to the 1920 Republican nomination of Warren Harding, but I can't find any text references that actually date back to 1920 or the closely subsequent years.



For example, this clipping refers to "the 'smoke-filled room' nomination of Harding."




The old guard dominated, or nearly dominated, republican conventions from that time on. Its members had much to do with the steam-rolling of Roosevelt in 1912 and the "smoke-filled room" nomination of Harding in 1920.






  • 1933 - Marshfield News-Herald (Marshfield, Wisconsin) 22 Feb. 3/3 (paywall)


Searching book and newspaper corpora, I found that most references to the phrase "smoke-filled room" in the 1920s were literally discussing fires. In the 1930s, the meaning related to politics seemed to become more prevalent than literal uses.



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Given how often this phrase is explained as a reference to the nomination of Harding, are there examples that can be found in print showing that the term itself was used at the time to describe the nomination process, or did "smoke-filled room" come to describe the nomination contemporaneously? And is it possible to tell approximately when was the term generalized to refer to private political meetings unrelated to the Harding nomination?










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  • The earliest that Ngram easily finds is 1942, but that passage hints at the expression going back to the 1920s if not the 1760s.
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Smoke-filled room is used in politics to mean:




a room (as in a hotel) in which a small group of politicians carry on negotiations





  • Merriam-Webster


The phrase originated in the U.S. to describe decision making done behind closed doors, cloaked in secrecy, and in the early 20th century, probably clouded in literal tobacco smoke.



Merriam-Webster and other sources point to 1920 as the origin date of the expression. Indeed, early uses of this that I can find phrase appear to be in reference to the 1920 Republican nomination of Warren Harding, but I can't find any text references that actually date back to 1920 or the closely subsequent years.



For example, this clipping refers to "the 'smoke-filled room' nomination of Harding."




The old guard dominated, or nearly dominated, republican conventions from that time on. Its members had much to do with the steam-rolling of Roosevelt in 1912 and the "smoke-filled room" nomination of Harding in 1920.






  • 1933 - Marshfield News-Herald (Marshfield, Wisconsin) 22 Feb. 3/3 (paywall)


Searching book and newspaper corpora, I found that most references to the phrase "smoke-filled room" in the 1920s were literally discussing fires. In the 1930s, the meaning related to politics seemed to become more prevalent than literal uses.



Question



Given how often this phrase is explained as a reference to the nomination of Harding, are there examples that can be found in print showing that the term itself was used at the time to describe the nomination process, or did "smoke-filled room" come to describe the nomination contemporaneously? And is it possible to tell approximately when was the term generalized to refer to private political meetings unrelated to the Harding nomination?










share|improve this question













Smoke-filled room is used in politics to mean:




a room (as in a hotel) in which a small group of politicians carry on negotiations





  • Merriam-Webster


The phrase originated in the U.S. to describe decision making done behind closed doors, cloaked in secrecy, and in the early 20th century, probably clouded in literal tobacco smoke.



Merriam-Webster and other sources point to 1920 as the origin date of the expression. Indeed, early uses of this that I can find phrase appear to be in reference to the 1920 Republican nomination of Warren Harding, but I can't find any text references that actually date back to 1920 or the closely subsequent years.



For example, this clipping refers to "the 'smoke-filled room' nomination of Harding."




The old guard dominated, or nearly dominated, republican conventions from that time on. Its members had much to do with the steam-rolling of Roosevelt in 1912 and the "smoke-filled room" nomination of Harding in 1920.






  • 1933 - Marshfield News-Herald (Marshfield, Wisconsin) 22 Feb. 3/3 (paywall)


Searching book and newspaper corpora, I found that most references to the phrase "smoke-filled room" in the 1920s were literally discussing fires. In the 1930s, the meaning related to politics seemed to become more prevalent than literal uses.



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Given how often this phrase is explained as a reference to the nomination of Harding, are there examples that can be found in print showing that the term itself was used at the time to describe the nomination process, or did "smoke-filled room" come to describe the nomination contemporaneously? And is it possible to tell approximately when was the term generalized to refer to private political meetings unrelated to the Harding nomination?







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  • The earliest that Ngram easily finds is 1942, but that passage hints at the expression going back to the 1920s if not the 1760s.
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The earliest that Ngram easily finds is 1942, but that passage hints at the expression going back to the 1920s if not the 1760s.
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smoke filled from etymonline.com




Meaning "filled with smoke" and meaning "resembling smoke" are from
late 14c.




A smoke filled room in politics, 1920: Encyclopedia of Chicago




The original smoke filled room was in Chicago's Blackstone Hotel,
where, according to an enduring legend, a small group of powerful
United States senators gathered to arrange the nomination of Warren G.
Harding as Republican candidate for president in 1920.




This the earliest I could find with a definite reference to politics, as you also referenced. As with 'smoke and mirrors' I believe the figurative use came to mean duplicitous political machinations behind the scenes, with or without the smoke.



And from TDF, the idiom:



a smoke-filled room




COMMON If someone says that a political or business decision is made
in a smoke-filled room, they mean that it is made by a small group of
people in a private meeting, rather than in a more democratic or open
way. We're not going to see a return to the smoke-filled room, in
which a few ministers and company bosses made all the decisions. Note:
This was first used to refer to the suite in the Blackstone Hotel in
Chicago where Warren Harding was chosen as the Republican presidential
candidate in 1920.







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    The phrase smoke-filled room was used to describe a drinking establishment that wasn't well ventilated (and before that, the interior of a building on fire), so the extension to party meetings is pretty straightforward:




    1893: At times Maggie told Pete long confidential tales of her former home life, dwelling upon the escapades of the other members of
    the family and the difficulties she had to combat in order to obtain a
    degree of comfort. He responded in tones of philanthropy. He pressed
    her arm with an air of reassuring proprietorship. " Dey was damn jays,
    " he said, denouncing the mother and brother. The sound of the music
    which, by the efforts of the frowsy- headed leader, drifted to her
    ears through the smoke-filled atmosphere, made the girl dream. She
    thought of her former Rum Alley environment and turned to regard
    Pete's strong protecting fists. She thought of the collar and cuff
    manufactory and the eternal moan of the proprietor: " What een hell do
    you sink I pie fife dolla a week for? Play? No, py damn. " She
    contemplated Pete's man-subduing eyes and noted that wealth and
    prosperity was indicated by his clothes.




    .




    1902: In his smoke-filled, untidy best room Darden sat at table, his drink beside him, his pipe between his fingers, and open before
    him a book of jests, propped by a tome of divinity. His wife coming in
    from the kitchen, he burrowed in the litter upon the table until he
    found an open letter, which he flung toward her. " The Commissary
    threatens again, damn him! "




    .




    1948: I have no particular views on Carlisle: I have never been to Carlisle, and never seen these State-managed houses in operation: Only
    one comment I would permit myself on the speech of the hon: Member for
    Carlisle (Mr: Grierson): He referred to the large, well-ventilated
    rooms found in Carlisle public houses: Many of my constituents, I am
    afraid, prefer to do their drinking in small, smoke-filled rooms, and
    I have no objection to their doing so, if they wish




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    • There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
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    smoke filled from etymonline.com




    Meaning "filled with smoke" and meaning "resembling smoke" are from
    late 14c.




    A smoke filled room in politics, 1920: Encyclopedia of Chicago




    The original smoke filled room was in Chicago's Blackstone Hotel,
    where, according to an enduring legend, a small group of powerful
    United States senators gathered to arrange the nomination of Warren G.
    Harding as Republican candidate for president in 1920.




    This the earliest I could find with a definite reference to politics, as you also referenced. As with 'smoke and mirrors' I believe the figurative use came to mean duplicitous political machinations behind the scenes, with or without the smoke.



    And from TDF, the idiom:



    a smoke-filled room




    COMMON If someone says that a political or business decision is made
    in a smoke-filled room, they mean that it is made by a small group of
    people in a private meeting, rather than in a more democratic or open
    way. We're not going to see a return to the smoke-filled room, in
    which a few ministers and company bosses made all the decisions. Note:
    This was first used to refer to the suite in the Blackstone Hotel in
    Chicago where Warren Harding was chosen as the Republican presidential
    candidate in 1920.







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      smoke filled from etymonline.com




      Meaning "filled with smoke" and meaning "resembling smoke" are from
      late 14c.




      A smoke filled room in politics, 1920: Encyclopedia of Chicago




      The original smoke filled room was in Chicago's Blackstone Hotel,
      where, according to an enduring legend, a small group of powerful
      United States senators gathered to arrange the nomination of Warren G.
      Harding as Republican candidate for president in 1920.




      This the earliest I could find with a definite reference to politics, as you also referenced. As with 'smoke and mirrors' I believe the figurative use came to mean duplicitous political machinations behind the scenes, with or without the smoke.



      And from TDF, the idiom:



      a smoke-filled room




      COMMON If someone says that a political or business decision is made
      in a smoke-filled room, they mean that it is made by a small group of
      people in a private meeting, rather than in a more democratic or open
      way. We're not going to see a return to the smoke-filled room, in
      which a few ministers and company bosses made all the decisions. Note:
      This was first used to refer to the suite in the Blackstone Hotel in
      Chicago where Warren Harding was chosen as the Republican presidential
      candidate in 1920.







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        smoke filled from etymonline.com




        Meaning "filled with smoke" and meaning "resembling smoke" are from
        late 14c.




        A smoke filled room in politics, 1920: Encyclopedia of Chicago




        The original smoke filled room was in Chicago's Blackstone Hotel,
        where, according to an enduring legend, a small group of powerful
        United States senators gathered to arrange the nomination of Warren G.
        Harding as Republican candidate for president in 1920.




        This the earliest I could find with a definite reference to politics, as you also referenced. As with 'smoke and mirrors' I believe the figurative use came to mean duplicitous political machinations behind the scenes, with or without the smoke.



        And from TDF, the idiom:



        a smoke-filled room




        COMMON If someone says that a political or business decision is made
        in a smoke-filled room, they mean that it is made by a small group of
        people in a private meeting, rather than in a more democratic or open
        way. We're not going to see a return to the smoke-filled room, in
        which a few ministers and company bosses made all the decisions. Note:
        This was first used to refer to the suite in the Blackstone Hotel in
        Chicago where Warren Harding was chosen as the Republican presidential
        candidate in 1920.







        share|improve this answer














        smoke filled from etymonline.com




        Meaning "filled with smoke" and meaning "resembling smoke" are from
        late 14c.




        A smoke filled room in politics, 1920: Encyclopedia of Chicago




        The original smoke filled room was in Chicago's Blackstone Hotel,
        where, according to an enduring legend, a small group of powerful
        United States senators gathered to arrange the nomination of Warren G.
        Harding as Republican candidate for president in 1920.




        This the earliest I could find with a definite reference to politics, as you also referenced. As with 'smoke and mirrors' I believe the figurative use came to mean duplicitous political machinations behind the scenes, with or without the smoke.



        And from TDF, the idiom:



        a smoke-filled room




        COMMON If someone says that a political or business decision is made
        in a smoke-filled room, they mean that it is made by a small group of
        people in a private meeting, rather than in a more democratic or open
        way. We're not going to see a return to the smoke-filled room, in
        which a few ministers and company bosses made all the decisions. Note:
        This was first used to refer to the suite in the Blackstone Hotel in
        Chicago where Warren Harding was chosen as the Republican presidential
        candidate in 1920.








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            The phrase smoke-filled room was used to describe a drinking establishment that wasn't well ventilated (and before that, the interior of a building on fire), so the extension to party meetings is pretty straightforward:




            1893: At times Maggie told Pete long confidential tales of her former home life, dwelling upon the escapades of the other members of
            the family and the difficulties she had to combat in order to obtain a
            degree of comfort. He responded in tones of philanthropy. He pressed
            her arm with an air of reassuring proprietorship. " Dey was damn jays,
            " he said, denouncing the mother and brother. The sound of the music
            which, by the efforts of the frowsy- headed leader, drifted to her
            ears through the smoke-filled atmosphere, made the girl dream. She
            thought of her former Rum Alley environment and turned to regard
            Pete's strong protecting fists. She thought of the collar and cuff
            manufactory and the eternal moan of the proprietor: " What een hell do
            you sink I pie fife dolla a week for? Play? No, py damn. " She
            contemplated Pete's man-subduing eyes and noted that wealth and
            prosperity was indicated by his clothes.




            .




            1902: In his smoke-filled, untidy best room Darden sat at table, his drink beside him, his pipe between his fingers, and open before
            him a book of jests, propped by a tome of divinity. His wife coming in
            from the kitchen, he burrowed in the litter upon the table until he
            found an open letter, which he flung toward her. " The Commissary
            threatens again, damn him! "




            .




            1948: I have no particular views on Carlisle: I have never been to Carlisle, and never seen these State-managed houses in operation: Only
            one comment I would permit myself on the speech of the hon: Member for
            Carlisle (Mr: Grierson): He referred to the large, well-ventilated
            rooms found in Carlisle public houses: Many of my constituents, I am
            afraid, prefer to do their drinking in small, smoke-filled rooms, and
            I have no objection to their doing so, if they wish




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            • There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
              – J. Taylor
              6 hours ago















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            The phrase smoke-filled room was used to describe a drinking establishment that wasn't well ventilated (and before that, the interior of a building on fire), so the extension to party meetings is pretty straightforward:




            1893: At times Maggie told Pete long confidential tales of her former home life, dwelling upon the escapades of the other members of
            the family and the difficulties she had to combat in order to obtain a
            degree of comfort. He responded in tones of philanthropy. He pressed
            her arm with an air of reassuring proprietorship. " Dey was damn jays,
            " he said, denouncing the mother and brother. The sound of the music
            which, by the efforts of the frowsy- headed leader, drifted to her
            ears through the smoke-filled atmosphere, made the girl dream. She
            thought of her former Rum Alley environment and turned to regard
            Pete's strong protecting fists. She thought of the collar and cuff
            manufactory and the eternal moan of the proprietor: " What een hell do
            you sink I pie fife dolla a week for? Play? No, py damn. " She
            contemplated Pete's man-subduing eyes and noted that wealth and
            prosperity was indicated by his clothes.




            .




            1902: In his smoke-filled, untidy best room Darden sat at table, his drink beside him, his pipe between his fingers, and open before
            him a book of jests, propped by a tome of divinity. His wife coming in
            from the kitchen, he burrowed in the litter upon the table until he
            found an open letter, which he flung toward her. " The Commissary
            threatens again, damn him! "




            .




            1948: I have no particular views on Carlisle: I have never been to Carlisle, and never seen these State-managed houses in operation: Only
            one comment I would permit myself on the speech of the hon: Member for
            Carlisle (Mr: Grierson): He referred to the large, well-ventilated
            rooms found in Carlisle public houses: Many of my constituents, I am
            afraid, prefer to do their drinking in small, smoke-filled rooms, and
            I have no objection to their doing so, if they wish




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            • There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
              – J. Taylor
              6 hours ago













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            up vote
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            The phrase smoke-filled room was used to describe a drinking establishment that wasn't well ventilated (and before that, the interior of a building on fire), so the extension to party meetings is pretty straightforward:




            1893: At times Maggie told Pete long confidential tales of her former home life, dwelling upon the escapades of the other members of
            the family and the difficulties she had to combat in order to obtain a
            degree of comfort. He responded in tones of philanthropy. He pressed
            her arm with an air of reassuring proprietorship. " Dey was damn jays,
            " he said, denouncing the mother and brother. The sound of the music
            which, by the efforts of the frowsy- headed leader, drifted to her
            ears through the smoke-filled atmosphere, made the girl dream. She
            thought of her former Rum Alley environment and turned to regard
            Pete's strong protecting fists. She thought of the collar and cuff
            manufactory and the eternal moan of the proprietor: " What een hell do
            you sink I pie fife dolla a week for? Play? No, py damn. " She
            contemplated Pete's man-subduing eyes and noted that wealth and
            prosperity was indicated by his clothes.




            .




            1902: In his smoke-filled, untidy best room Darden sat at table, his drink beside him, his pipe between his fingers, and open before
            him a book of jests, propped by a tome of divinity. His wife coming in
            from the kitchen, he burrowed in the litter upon the table until he
            found an open letter, which he flung toward her. " The Commissary
            threatens again, damn him! "




            .




            1948: I have no particular views on Carlisle: I have never been to Carlisle, and never seen these State-managed houses in operation: Only
            one comment I would permit myself on the speech of the hon: Member for
            Carlisle (Mr: Grierson): He referred to the large, well-ventilated
            rooms found in Carlisle public houses: Many of my constituents, I am
            afraid, prefer to do their drinking in small, smoke-filled rooms, and
            I have no objection to their doing so, if they wish




            :






            share|improve this answer












            The phrase smoke-filled room was used to describe a drinking establishment that wasn't well ventilated (and before that, the interior of a building on fire), so the extension to party meetings is pretty straightforward:




            1893: At times Maggie told Pete long confidential tales of her former home life, dwelling upon the escapades of the other members of
            the family and the difficulties she had to combat in order to obtain a
            degree of comfort. He responded in tones of philanthropy. He pressed
            her arm with an air of reassuring proprietorship. " Dey was damn jays,
            " he said, denouncing the mother and brother. The sound of the music
            which, by the efforts of the frowsy- headed leader, drifted to her
            ears through the smoke-filled atmosphere, made the girl dream. She
            thought of her former Rum Alley environment and turned to regard
            Pete's strong protecting fists. She thought of the collar and cuff
            manufactory and the eternal moan of the proprietor: " What een hell do
            you sink I pie fife dolla a week for? Play? No, py damn. " She
            contemplated Pete's man-subduing eyes and noted that wealth and
            prosperity was indicated by his clothes.




            .




            1902: In his smoke-filled, untidy best room Darden sat at table, his drink beside him, his pipe between his fingers, and open before
            him a book of jests, propped by a tome of divinity. His wife coming in
            from the kitchen, he burrowed in the litter upon the table until he
            found an open letter, which he flung toward her. " The Commissary
            threatens again, damn him! "




            .




            1948: I have no particular views on Carlisle: I have never been to Carlisle, and never seen these State-managed houses in operation: Only
            one comment I would permit myself on the speech of the hon: Member for
            Carlisle (Mr: Grierson): He referred to the large, well-ventilated
            rooms found in Carlisle public houses: Many of my constituents, I am
            afraid, prefer to do their drinking in small, smoke-filled rooms, and
            I have no objection to their doing so, if they wish




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            • There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
              – J. Taylor
              6 hours ago


















            • There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
              – J. Taylor
              6 hours ago
















            There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
            – J. Taylor
            6 hours ago




            There has been speculation that the term came from the "Loco-Focos" faction of the US Democratic Party in the 1830's-40's. It is a long story that I do not care to try to relate, but is possible.
            – J. Taylor
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