Roles to play when tailgaiting into a residential building
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Following people into a large RFID protected residential building is ridiculously easy, as not everyone knows everyone else. Just the other day I was let in with a rifle (an airgun, but how could have they known).
But standing helplessly in front of the door, looking in sorrow at the lock, is not the best role to play as it attracts questions like "who are you" or "who are you visiting".
What is a more appropriate behavior when waiting around for someone to enter?
social-engineering physical-access
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Following people into a large RFID protected residential building is ridiculously easy, as not everyone knows everyone else. Just the other day I was let in with a rifle (an airgun, but how could have they known).
But standing helplessly in front of the door, looking in sorrow at the lock, is not the best role to play as it attracts questions like "who are you" or "who are you visiting".
What is a more appropriate behavior when waiting around for someone to enter?
social-engineering physical-access
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Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
5
"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
10
If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
4
It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago
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up vote
47
down vote
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Following people into a large RFID protected residential building is ridiculously easy, as not everyone knows everyone else. Just the other day I was let in with a rifle (an airgun, but how could have they known).
But standing helplessly in front of the door, looking in sorrow at the lock, is not the best role to play as it attracts questions like "who are you" or "who are you visiting".
What is a more appropriate behavior when waiting around for someone to enter?
social-engineering physical-access
Following people into a large RFID protected residential building is ridiculously easy, as not everyone knows everyone else. Just the other day I was let in with a rifle (an airgun, but how could have they known).
But standing helplessly in front of the door, looking in sorrow at the lock, is not the best role to play as it attracts questions like "who are you" or "who are you visiting".
What is a more appropriate behavior when waiting around for someone to enter?
social-engineering physical-access
social-engineering physical-access
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Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
5
"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
10
If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
4
It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago
add a comment |
15
Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
5
"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
10
If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
4
It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago
15
15
Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
5
5
"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
10
10
If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
4
4
It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago
It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago
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up vote
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There are some basic social engineering approaches to use that work in most situations, not just tailgating:
- urgency
- authority
- curiosity
- pretexting
Urgency
Be someone with a specific task to perform that needs to be done right now. The classics are a delivery person with full arms and someone looking to pick someone else up. A family member needing to check on an elderly resident. People want to be helpful and they don't think that you will be around long enough to be a threat.
Authority
Be someone who the gatekeeper has no right or reason to refuse. Fire marshal, utilities inspector, law enforcement, building security, process server. Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest.
Curiosity
To get close to someone, be very interesting in such a way that they want to know more. Dress up as a clown to deliver a telegram.
Pretexting
Establish a shallow relationship that appears to be deeper. Smoking with people outside on their break is classic. The smokers will assume you are also an employee (why else would you be there?)
Combinations
But these work even better in combination. A fire marshal in an awful rush. A clown who claims he was at the last company party (and knows a few important names). The more combinations you can combine, the more effective the process is: an authority figure, in a rush, to do something interesting, who claims to have a pre-existing relationship. If you go over the top or try to hard, it will backfire, though.
104
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
|
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13
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Just stand outside the door at some distance talking on your phone. Don't look at the door, don't look at the person coming to open it, don't look like you want to get in. Don't ask to be let in. Don't engage in conversation. Just let the person open the door and go through. Then in the last second before it closes and lock, you walk through still talking on your phone.
Wearing a costume or high-vis will make you... well, highly visible. In some places you might need the costume and the excuse to get in. But in a lot of places, just blending in like an unmemorable nobody is quite enough. Dress like you belong, don't ask, just walk.
As a disclaimer I should note that I have no professional experience with this. But I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag.
1
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.
– Strikegently
1 hour ago
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
72
down vote
There are some basic social engineering approaches to use that work in most situations, not just tailgating:
- urgency
- authority
- curiosity
- pretexting
Urgency
Be someone with a specific task to perform that needs to be done right now. The classics are a delivery person with full arms and someone looking to pick someone else up. A family member needing to check on an elderly resident. People want to be helpful and they don't think that you will be around long enough to be a threat.
Authority
Be someone who the gatekeeper has no right or reason to refuse. Fire marshal, utilities inspector, law enforcement, building security, process server. Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest.
Curiosity
To get close to someone, be very interesting in such a way that they want to know more. Dress up as a clown to deliver a telegram.
Pretexting
Establish a shallow relationship that appears to be deeper. Smoking with people outside on their break is classic. The smokers will assume you are also an employee (why else would you be there?)
Combinations
But these work even better in combination. A fire marshal in an awful rush. A clown who claims he was at the last company party (and knows a few important names). The more combinations you can combine, the more effective the process is: an authority figure, in a rush, to do something interesting, who claims to have a pre-existing relationship. If you go over the top or try to hard, it will backfire, though.
104
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
72
down vote
There are some basic social engineering approaches to use that work in most situations, not just tailgating:
- urgency
- authority
- curiosity
- pretexting
Urgency
Be someone with a specific task to perform that needs to be done right now. The classics are a delivery person with full arms and someone looking to pick someone else up. A family member needing to check on an elderly resident. People want to be helpful and they don't think that you will be around long enough to be a threat.
Authority
Be someone who the gatekeeper has no right or reason to refuse. Fire marshal, utilities inspector, law enforcement, building security, process server. Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest.
Curiosity
To get close to someone, be very interesting in such a way that they want to know more. Dress up as a clown to deliver a telegram.
Pretexting
Establish a shallow relationship that appears to be deeper. Smoking with people outside on their break is classic. The smokers will assume you are also an employee (why else would you be there?)
Combinations
But these work even better in combination. A fire marshal in an awful rush. A clown who claims he was at the last company party (and knows a few important names). The more combinations you can combine, the more effective the process is: an authority figure, in a rush, to do something interesting, who claims to have a pre-existing relationship. If you go over the top or try to hard, it will backfire, though.
104
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
72
down vote
up vote
72
down vote
There are some basic social engineering approaches to use that work in most situations, not just tailgating:
- urgency
- authority
- curiosity
- pretexting
Urgency
Be someone with a specific task to perform that needs to be done right now. The classics are a delivery person with full arms and someone looking to pick someone else up. A family member needing to check on an elderly resident. People want to be helpful and they don't think that you will be around long enough to be a threat.
Authority
Be someone who the gatekeeper has no right or reason to refuse. Fire marshal, utilities inspector, law enforcement, building security, process server. Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest.
Curiosity
To get close to someone, be very interesting in such a way that they want to know more. Dress up as a clown to deliver a telegram.
Pretexting
Establish a shallow relationship that appears to be deeper. Smoking with people outside on their break is classic. The smokers will assume you are also an employee (why else would you be there?)
Combinations
But these work even better in combination. A fire marshal in an awful rush. A clown who claims he was at the last company party (and knows a few important names). The more combinations you can combine, the more effective the process is: an authority figure, in a rush, to do something interesting, who claims to have a pre-existing relationship. If you go over the top or try to hard, it will backfire, though.
There are some basic social engineering approaches to use that work in most situations, not just tailgating:
- urgency
- authority
- curiosity
- pretexting
Urgency
Be someone with a specific task to perform that needs to be done right now. The classics are a delivery person with full arms and someone looking to pick someone else up. A family member needing to check on an elderly resident. People want to be helpful and they don't think that you will be around long enough to be a threat.
Authority
Be someone who the gatekeeper has no right or reason to refuse. Fire marshal, utilities inspector, law enforcement, building security, process server. Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest.
Curiosity
To get close to someone, be very interesting in such a way that they want to know more. Dress up as a clown to deliver a telegram.
Pretexting
Establish a shallow relationship that appears to be deeper. Smoking with people outside on their break is classic. The smokers will assume you are also an employee (why else would you be there?)
Combinations
But these work even better in combination. A fire marshal in an awful rush. A clown who claims he was at the last company party (and knows a few important names). The more combinations you can combine, the more effective the process is: an authority figure, in a rush, to do something interesting, who claims to have a pre-existing relationship. If you go over the top or try to hard, it will backfire, though.
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So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
104
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
104
104
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
So you are saying a smoking clown with with a fire axe on his back and a police cap on the head hodling 6 packages with a cliboard lying on top demanding to enter the building to check on his elderly mother because he is worried that there is a gas leak would not work? I guess, I'll have to send everything back then.
– problemofficer
yesterday
36
36
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
"Lots of studies of people being let in with a just clipboard and a high-visibility vest." - for most large buildings I've worked/lived in, all you'd have to say is "I'm here to work on the AC (or heater)" and they'll roll out the red carpet for you.
– Lord Farquaad
yesterday
5
5
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
I suspect combinations are a bad idea. You want to avoid making the mark think too closely. Each of the examples seems to be a normal individual and a lazy thinking mark will let them in. I think you are right with the last sentence that combinations can backfire, but I think the threshold for decreasing your chance of success is lower.
– Ross Millikan
yesterday
22
22
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
This is a good answer. I would also add "social awkwardness," as in people will avoid interacting with you if they think it would be awkward. For example, you could wait for someone to approach the gate then walk in with them while talking continuously on your cell phone-- most people won't want to interrupt.
– John Wu
21 hours ago
8
8
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
@John that's definitely something you could combine. A guy with a vest and clipboard (or suit and clipboard, depending on the place), on the phone with a confident nod toward the security guard as he walks in would be pretty solid.
– Cullub
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
13
down vote
Just stand outside the door at some distance talking on your phone. Don't look at the door, don't look at the person coming to open it, don't look like you want to get in. Don't ask to be let in. Don't engage in conversation. Just let the person open the door and go through. Then in the last second before it closes and lock, you walk through still talking on your phone.
Wearing a costume or high-vis will make you... well, highly visible. In some places you might need the costume and the excuse to get in. But in a lot of places, just blending in like an unmemorable nobody is quite enough. Dress like you belong, don't ask, just walk.
As a disclaimer I should note that I have no professional experience with this. But I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag.
1
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.
– Strikegently
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
13
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Just stand outside the door at some distance talking on your phone. Don't look at the door, don't look at the person coming to open it, don't look like you want to get in. Don't ask to be let in. Don't engage in conversation. Just let the person open the door and go through. Then in the last second before it closes and lock, you walk through still talking on your phone.
Wearing a costume or high-vis will make you... well, highly visible. In some places you might need the costume and the excuse to get in. But in a lot of places, just blending in like an unmemorable nobody is quite enough. Dress like you belong, don't ask, just walk.
As a disclaimer I should note that I have no professional experience with this. But I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag.
1
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.
– Strikegently
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
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down vote
up vote
13
down vote
Just stand outside the door at some distance talking on your phone. Don't look at the door, don't look at the person coming to open it, don't look like you want to get in. Don't ask to be let in. Don't engage in conversation. Just let the person open the door and go through. Then in the last second before it closes and lock, you walk through still talking on your phone.
Wearing a costume or high-vis will make you... well, highly visible. In some places you might need the costume and the excuse to get in. But in a lot of places, just blending in like an unmemorable nobody is quite enough. Dress like you belong, don't ask, just walk.
As a disclaimer I should note that I have no professional experience with this. But I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag.
Just stand outside the door at some distance talking on your phone. Don't look at the door, don't look at the person coming to open it, don't look like you want to get in. Don't ask to be let in. Don't engage in conversation. Just let the person open the door and go through. Then in the last second before it closes and lock, you walk through still talking on your phone.
Wearing a costume or high-vis will make you... well, highly visible. In some places you might need the costume and the excuse to get in. But in a lot of places, just blending in like an unmemorable nobody is quite enough. Dress like you belong, don't ask, just walk.
As a disclaimer I should note that I have no professional experience with this. But I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag.
answered 7 hours ago
Anders
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I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.
– Strikegently
1 hour ago
add a comment |
1
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.
– Strikegently
1 hour ago
1
1
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.– Strikegently
1 hour ago
I do use it all the time to get into my office when I forget my RFID tag
- I sure hope your office doesn't handle any sensitive information.– Strikegently
1 hour ago
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Wait for people to come out for a smoke, smoke with them while talking to them. When they go back in, you join them.
– Jeroen - IT Nerdbox
yesterday
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"but how could have they known" - Not sure where you're located but if you can buy an air rifle and carry it around without much bother then that likely means you're in a place where the locals know what air rifles look like and you happened to run into one.
– Freiheit
20 hours ago
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If someone carrying a rifle tried to follow you into a building, would you challenge them?
– Jeffrey Bosboom
19 hours ago
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It's opening day of deer season here. You'd look suspicious not carrying a rifle.
– jjanes
11 hours ago