UK work visa with pending criminal charge
I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
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I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
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In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago
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I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
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I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
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In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago
|
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In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago
In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago
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As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
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Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
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As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered 3 hours ago
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Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
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As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered 3 hours ago
o.m.
22.4k23356
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered 3 hours ago
o.m.
22.4k23356
As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered 3 hours ago
o.m.
22.4k23356
answered 3 hours ago
o.m.
22.4k23356
answered 3 hours ago
o.m.
22.4k23356
answered 3 hours ago
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Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
1
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
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In my opinion this is trivial.
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
4 hours ago
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– Honorary World Citizen
4 hours ago
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
3 hours ago
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– Honorary World Citizen
3 hours ago