Proof of polynomial divisibility without using complex numbers?
My question is the same as polynomial of degree n and its divisor except I want a solution that does not make use of complex numbers
Problem: Find all positive integers $n$ such that $x^2+x+1mid (x+1)^n+x^n+1$
Using wolframalpha, I can see that a number of solutions work, such as $2,4,7$. I tried substituting various values of $x$ in and then working in specific mod cases, but this doesn't really seem to work because it only gives possible values, not 'actual' values. Polynomial long division here is also quite unwieldy...
polynomials divisibility
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My question is the same as polynomial of degree n and its divisor except I want a solution that does not make use of complex numbers
Problem: Find all positive integers $n$ such that $x^2+x+1mid (x+1)^n+x^n+1$
Using wolframalpha, I can see that a number of solutions work, such as $2,4,7$. I tried substituting various values of $x$ in and then working in specific mod cases, but this doesn't really seem to work because it only gives possible values, not 'actual' values. Polynomial long division here is also quite unwieldy...
polynomials divisibility
$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
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@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
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My question is the same as polynomial of degree n and its divisor except I want a solution that does not make use of complex numbers
Problem: Find all positive integers $n$ such that $x^2+x+1mid (x+1)^n+x^n+1$
Using wolframalpha, I can see that a number of solutions work, such as $2,4,7$. I tried substituting various values of $x$ in and then working in specific mod cases, but this doesn't really seem to work because it only gives possible values, not 'actual' values. Polynomial long division here is also quite unwieldy...
polynomials divisibility
My question is the same as polynomial of degree n and its divisor except I want a solution that does not make use of complex numbers
Problem: Find all positive integers $n$ such that $x^2+x+1mid (x+1)^n+x^n+1$
Using wolframalpha, I can see that a number of solutions work, such as $2,4,7$. I tried substituting various values of $x$ in and then working in specific mod cases, but this doesn't really seem to work because it only gives possible values, not 'actual' values. Polynomial long division here is also quite unwieldy...
polynomials divisibility
polynomials divisibility
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$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
2 hours ago
@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
– user574848
2 hours ago
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$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
2 hours ago
@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
– user574848
2 hours ago
$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
2 hours ago
$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
2 hours ago
@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
– user574848
2 hours ago
@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
– user574848
2 hours ago
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Since $$(x+1)^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ and $$x^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ the exponent $n$ can be reduced modulo $6$. Inspection gives the solutions $2$ and $4$ in the interval $[1,6]$, hence the condition is satisfied if and only if $nequiv pm2mod 6$. So exactly the even exponents $n$ not divisible by $3$ do the job.
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
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You can use a form of polynomial modular arithmetic here, working modulo $x^2+x+1$
We have $x^2+x+1equiv 0$ so that $x+1equiv -x^2$
also $x^3+x^2+xequiv 0$ so that $x^3equiv -x^2-xequiv 1$
So $p_n(x)=(x+1)^n+x^n+1equiv (-1)^nx^{2n}+x^n+1$
Now since $x^3equiv 1$ and you have a $(-1)^n$ there you can work modulo $6$, because extra multiples of $6$ in the powers change nothing.
We have $$p_0(x)equiv 3$$ $$p_1(x)equiv -x^2+x+1equiv 2x+2$$$$p_2(x)equiv x^4+x^2+1equiv x+x^2+1equiv 0$$$$p_3(x)equiv -x^6+x^3+1equiv 1$$$$p_4(x)equiv x^8+x^4+1equiv x^2+x+1equiv 0$$$$p_5(x)=-x^{10}+x^5+1equiv-x+x^2+1equiv-2x$$
So the division works for $nequiv 2,4 bmod 6$ and you have the remainders on polynomial division for the other residue classes.
Note that because $x^2+x+1$ is an irreducible polynomial, this method is algebraically equivalent to replacing $x$ by a root of the equation $x^2+x+1$, but the computations all take place in a polynomial ring which isn't identified with any particular known ring or field.
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First I will prove that: $$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$ is a necessary condition:
Just substitute x for the value 2 so that the equation results:
$$7 | 3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1$$
$$3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1 equiv 0 pmod{7}$$
whose all solutions are:
$$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$
Now I am going to prove that these two conditions are sufficient:
As mentioned above:
$$ P = x^2+x+1 $$
$$(x + 1) ^ 6 equiv 1 pmod{P}$$
$$x ^ 6 = 1 pmod{P}$$
If $n equiv 2 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+2} + x ^ {6a+2} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 2 + 2x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(P + x) + x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$P + x + x ^ 2 +1 pmod{P}$$
$$2P pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
If $n equiv 4 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+4} + x ^ {6a+4} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$2x^4 +4x^3+6x ^ 2 + 4x + 2 pmod{P}$$
$$2(x^2+x+1)^2 pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
It is proved that the condition is necessary and sufficient.
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Since $$(x+1)^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ and $$x^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ the exponent $n$ can be reduced modulo $6$. Inspection gives the solutions $2$ and $4$ in the interval $[1,6]$, hence the condition is satisfied if and only if $nequiv pm2mod 6$. So exactly the even exponents $n$ not divisible by $3$ do the job.
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
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Since $$(x+1)^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ and $$x^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ the exponent $n$ can be reduced modulo $6$. Inspection gives the solutions $2$ and $4$ in the interval $[1,6]$, hence the condition is satisfied if and only if $nequiv pm2mod 6$. So exactly the even exponents $n$ not divisible by $3$ do the job.
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
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Since $$(x+1)^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ and $$x^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ the exponent $n$ can be reduced modulo $6$. Inspection gives the solutions $2$ and $4$ in the interval $[1,6]$, hence the condition is satisfied if and only if $nequiv pm2mod 6$. So exactly the even exponents $n$ not divisible by $3$ do the job.
Since $$(x+1)^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ and $$x^6equiv 1mod (x^2+x+1)$$ the exponent $n$ can be reduced modulo $6$. Inspection gives the solutions $2$ and $4$ in the interval $[1,6]$, hence the condition is satisfied if and only if $nequiv pm2mod 6$. So exactly the even exponents $n$ not divisible by $3$ do the job.
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How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
add a comment |
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
How does one see the initial congruence?
– user574848
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
The second one is easier to find : $x^3-1=(x^2+x+1)(x-1)$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
For the first, consider $$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1equiv xmod (x^2+x+1)$$
– Peter
2 hours ago
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You can use a form of polynomial modular arithmetic here, working modulo $x^2+x+1$
We have $x^2+x+1equiv 0$ so that $x+1equiv -x^2$
also $x^3+x^2+xequiv 0$ so that $x^3equiv -x^2-xequiv 1$
So $p_n(x)=(x+1)^n+x^n+1equiv (-1)^nx^{2n}+x^n+1$
Now since $x^3equiv 1$ and you have a $(-1)^n$ there you can work modulo $6$, because extra multiples of $6$ in the powers change nothing.
We have $$p_0(x)equiv 3$$ $$p_1(x)equiv -x^2+x+1equiv 2x+2$$$$p_2(x)equiv x^4+x^2+1equiv x+x^2+1equiv 0$$$$p_3(x)equiv -x^6+x^3+1equiv 1$$$$p_4(x)equiv x^8+x^4+1equiv x^2+x+1equiv 0$$$$p_5(x)=-x^{10}+x^5+1equiv-x+x^2+1equiv-2x$$
So the division works for $nequiv 2,4 bmod 6$ and you have the remainders on polynomial division for the other residue classes.
Note that because $x^2+x+1$ is an irreducible polynomial, this method is algebraically equivalent to replacing $x$ by a root of the equation $x^2+x+1$, but the computations all take place in a polynomial ring which isn't identified with any particular known ring or field.
add a comment |
You can use a form of polynomial modular arithmetic here, working modulo $x^2+x+1$
We have $x^2+x+1equiv 0$ so that $x+1equiv -x^2$
also $x^3+x^2+xequiv 0$ so that $x^3equiv -x^2-xequiv 1$
So $p_n(x)=(x+1)^n+x^n+1equiv (-1)^nx^{2n}+x^n+1$
Now since $x^3equiv 1$ and you have a $(-1)^n$ there you can work modulo $6$, because extra multiples of $6$ in the powers change nothing.
We have $$p_0(x)equiv 3$$ $$p_1(x)equiv -x^2+x+1equiv 2x+2$$$$p_2(x)equiv x^4+x^2+1equiv x+x^2+1equiv 0$$$$p_3(x)equiv -x^6+x^3+1equiv 1$$$$p_4(x)equiv x^8+x^4+1equiv x^2+x+1equiv 0$$$$p_5(x)=-x^{10}+x^5+1equiv-x+x^2+1equiv-2x$$
So the division works for $nequiv 2,4 bmod 6$ and you have the remainders on polynomial division for the other residue classes.
Note that because $x^2+x+1$ is an irreducible polynomial, this method is algebraically equivalent to replacing $x$ by a root of the equation $x^2+x+1$, but the computations all take place in a polynomial ring which isn't identified with any particular known ring or field.
add a comment |
You can use a form of polynomial modular arithmetic here, working modulo $x^2+x+1$
We have $x^2+x+1equiv 0$ so that $x+1equiv -x^2$
also $x^3+x^2+xequiv 0$ so that $x^3equiv -x^2-xequiv 1$
So $p_n(x)=(x+1)^n+x^n+1equiv (-1)^nx^{2n}+x^n+1$
Now since $x^3equiv 1$ and you have a $(-1)^n$ there you can work modulo $6$, because extra multiples of $6$ in the powers change nothing.
We have $$p_0(x)equiv 3$$ $$p_1(x)equiv -x^2+x+1equiv 2x+2$$$$p_2(x)equiv x^4+x^2+1equiv x+x^2+1equiv 0$$$$p_3(x)equiv -x^6+x^3+1equiv 1$$$$p_4(x)equiv x^8+x^4+1equiv x^2+x+1equiv 0$$$$p_5(x)=-x^{10}+x^5+1equiv-x+x^2+1equiv-2x$$
So the division works for $nequiv 2,4 bmod 6$ and you have the remainders on polynomial division for the other residue classes.
Note that because $x^2+x+1$ is an irreducible polynomial, this method is algebraically equivalent to replacing $x$ by a root of the equation $x^2+x+1$, but the computations all take place in a polynomial ring which isn't identified with any particular known ring or field.
You can use a form of polynomial modular arithmetic here, working modulo $x^2+x+1$
We have $x^2+x+1equiv 0$ so that $x+1equiv -x^2$
also $x^3+x^2+xequiv 0$ so that $x^3equiv -x^2-xequiv 1$
So $p_n(x)=(x+1)^n+x^n+1equiv (-1)^nx^{2n}+x^n+1$
Now since $x^3equiv 1$ and you have a $(-1)^n$ there you can work modulo $6$, because extra multiples of $6$ in the powers change nothing.
We have $$p_0(x)equiv 3$$ $$p_1(x)equiv -x^2+x+1equiv 2x+2$$$$p_2(x)equiv x^4+x^2+1equiv x+x^2+1equiv 0$$$$p_3(x)equiv -x^6+x^3+1equiv 1$$$$p_4(x)equiv x^8+x^4+1equiv x^2+x+1equiv 0$$$$p_5(x)=-x^{10}+x^5+1equiv-x+x^2+1equiv-2x$$
So the division works for $nequiv 2,4 bmod 6$ and you have the remainders on polynomial division for the other residue classes.
Note that because $x^2+x+1$ is an irreducible polynomial, this method is algebraically equivalent to replacing $x$ by a root of the equation $x^2+x+1$, but the computations all take place in a polynomial ring which isn't identified with any particular known ring or field.
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First I will prove that: $$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$ is a necessary condition:
Just substitute x for the value 2 so that the equation results:
$$7 | 3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1$$
$$3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1 equiv 0 pmod{7}$$
whose all solutions are:
$$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$
Now I am going to prove that these two conditions are sufficient:
As mentioned above:
$$ P = x^2+x+1 $$
$$(x + 1) ^ 6 equiv 1 pmod{P}$$
$$x ^ 6 = 1 pmod{P}$$
If $n equiv 2 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+2} + x ^ {6a+2} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 2 + 2x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(P + x) + x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$P + x + x ^ 2 +1 pmod{P}$$
$$2P pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
If $n equiv 4 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+4} + x ^ {6a+4} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$2x^4 +4x^3+6x ^ 2 + 4x + 2 pmod{P}$$
$$2(x^2+x+1)^2 pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
It is proved that the condition is necessary and sufficient.
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First I will prove that: $$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$ is a necessary condition:
Just substitute x for the value 2 so that the equation results:
$$7 | 3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1$$
$$3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1 equiv 0 pmod{7}$$
whose all solutions are:
$$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$
Now I am going to prove that these two conditions are sufficient:
As mentioned above:
$$ P = x^2+x+1 $$
$$(x + 1) ^ 6 equiv 1 pmod{P}$$
$$x ^ 6 = 1 pmod{P}$$
If $n equiv 2 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+2} + x ^ {6a+2} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 2 + 2x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(P + x) + x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$P + x + x ^ 2 +1 pmod{P}$$
$$2P pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
If $n equiv 4 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+4} + x ^ {6a+4} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$2x^4 +4x^3+6x ^ 2 + 4x + 2 pmod{P}$$
$$2(x^2+x+1)^2 pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
It is proved that the condition is necessary and sufficient.
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First I will prove that: $$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$ is a necessary condition:
Just substitute x for the value 2 so that the equation results:
$$7 | 3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1$$
$$3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1 equiv 0 pmod{7}$$
whose all solutions are:
$$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$
Now I am going to prove that these two conditions are sufficient:
As mentioned above:
$$ P = x^2+x+1 $$
$$(x + 1) ^ 6 equiv 1 pmod{P}$$
$$x ^ 6 = 1 pmod{P}$$
If $n equiv 2 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+2} + x ^ {6a+2} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 2 + 2x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(P + x) + x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$P + x + x ^ 2 +1 pmod{P}$$
$$2P pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
If $n equiv 4 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+4} + x ^ {6a+4} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$2x^4 +4x^3+6x ^ 2 + 4x + 2 pmod{P}$$
$$2(x^2+x+1)^2 pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
It is proved that the condition is necessary and sufficient.
First I will prove that: $$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$ is a necessary condition:
Just substitute x for the value 2 so that the equation results:
$$7 | 3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1$$
$$3 ^ n + 2 ^ n + 1 equiv 0 pmod{7}$$
whose all solutions are:
$$n in {2,4} pmod{6}$$
Now I am going to prove that these two conditions are sufficient:
As mentioned above:
$$ P = x^2+x+1 $$
$$(x + 1) ^ 6 equiv 1 pmod{P}$$
$$x ^ 6 = 1 pmod{P}$$
If $n equiv 2 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+2} + x ^ {6a+2} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 2 + 2x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(P + x) + x ^ 2 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$P + x + x ^ 2 +1 pmod{P}$$
$$2P pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
If $n equiv 4 pmod {6}$:
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a+4} + x ^ {6a+4} + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x + 1) ^ {6a} (x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ {6a} x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$(x ^ 4 + 4x ^ 3 + 6x ^ 2 + 4x + 1) + x ^ 4 + 1 pmod{P}$$
$$2x^4 +4x^3+6x ^ 2 + 4x + 2 pmod{P}$$
$$2(x^2+x+1)^2 pmod{P}$$
$$ 0 pmod{P} $$
With which is a sufficient condition.
It is proved that the condition is necessary and sufficient.
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$1$ and $7$ do not satisfy the condition.
– Peter
2 hours ago
@Peter You're right... I misread my own question! Thank you.
– user574848
2 hours ago