Why do I keep getting this incorrect solution for this polynomial problem?
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
add a comment |
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
1
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago
add a comment |
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
The problem is to find all real solutions (if any exists) for $sqrt{2x-3} +x=3$.
Now, my textbook says the answer is {2}, however, I keep getting {2, 6}. I've tried multiple approaches, but here is one of them:
I got rid of the root by squaring both sides,
$$sqrt{2x-3}^2=(3-x)^2$$
$$0=12-8x+x^2$$
Using the AC method, I got
$$(-x^2+6x)(2x-12)=0$$
$$-x(x-6)2(x-6)=0$$
$$(-x+2)(x-6)=0$$
hence, $$x=2, x=6$$
Of course, I can always just check my solutions and I'd immediately recognize 6 does not work. But that's a bit too tedious for my taste. Can anyone explain where I went wrong with my approach?
algebra-precalculus
algebra-precalculus
edited 11 secs ago
asked 45 mins ago
Lex_i
496
496
1
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago
add a comment |
1
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago
1
1
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago
add a comment |
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
add a comment |
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
add a comment |
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
add a comment |
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each algebraic step, if-then logic is used to rephrase the initial question, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x in {2, 6}$. What is $x$?
If all the logical steps are reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the inverse of the square root function is not the same as the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, this is much harder than just checking every answer.
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3055574%2fwhy-do-i-keep-getting-this-incorrect-solution-for-this-polynomial-problem%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
add a comment |
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
add a comment |
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
Because squaring both sides of an equation always introduces the “risk” of an extraneous solution.
As a very simple example, notice the following two equations:
$$x = sqrt 4 iff x = +2$$
$$x^2 = 4 iff vert xvert = 2 iff x = pm 2$$
The first equation has only one solution: $+sqrt 4$. The second, however, has two solutions: $pmsqrt 4$. And you get the second equation by squaring the first one.
The exact same idea applies to your example. You have
$$sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which refers only to the non-negative square root of $2x-3$. So, if a solution makes the LHS negative, it is extraneous. But, when you square both sides, you’re actually solving
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2 iff color{blue}{pm}sqrt{2x-3} = 3-x$$
which has a $pm$ sign and is therefore not the same equation. Now, to be precise, you’d have to add the condition that the LHS must be non-negative:
$$2x-3 = 9-6x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
$$0 = 12-8x+x^2; quad color{blue}{x leq 3}$$
Now, your equation is equivalent to the first with the given constraint. If you get any solution greater than $3$, (in this case, $6$), you’d know it satisfies the new equation but not the original one.
edited 15 mins ago
answered 28 mins ago
KM101
4,573418
4,573418
add a comment |
add a comment |
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
add a comment |
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
add a comment |
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
When we square both sides, we could have introduce additional solution.
An extreme example is as follows:
Solve $x=1$.
The solution is just $x=1$.
However, if we square them, $x^2=1$. Now $x=-1$ also satisfies the new equation which is no longer the original problem.
Remark: Note that as we write $$sqrt{2x-3}=3-x,$$
there is an implicit constraint that we need $3-x ge 0$.
answered 41 mins ago
Siong Thye Goh
99k1464116
99k1464116
add a comment |
add a comment |
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
add a comment |
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
add a comment |
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
Squaring both sides of an equation can introduce extraneous solutions. Thus it is necessary when doing so to check your answer.
Notice:$$sqrt{2cdot 6-3}+6=9neq3$$.
answered 33 mins ago
Chris Custer
10.8k3724
10.8k3724
add a comment |
add a comment |
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each algebraic step, if-then logic is used to rephrase the initial question, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x in {2, 6}$. What is $x$?
If all the logical steps are reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the inverse of the square root function is not the same as the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, this is much harder than just checking every answer.
add a comment |
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each algebraic step, if-then logic is used to rephrase the initial question, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x in {2, 6}$. What is $x$?
If all the logical steps are reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the inverse of the square root function is not the same as the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, this is much harder than just checking every answer.
add a comment |
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each algebraic step, if-then logic is used to rephrase the initial question, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x in {2, 6}$. What is $x$?
If all the logical steps are reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the inverse of the square root function is not the same as the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, this is much harder than just checking every answer.
The initial question is actually:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $sqrt{2x-3}+x=3$. What is $x$?
With each algebraic step, if-then logic is used to rephrase the initial question, eventually leading to:
If $x$ exists, then it satisfies $x in {2, 6}$. What is $x$?
If all the logical steps are reversible, then we are done. We could 'let $x = 2$ or $x = 6$' and follow the logic backwards to demonstrate that x is a solution to the original equation. Unfortunately, as noted on other answers, squaring is not a reversible step; the inverse of the square root function is not the same as the square function. We can see this by noting that the square function takes positive and negative numbers and maps them to positive numbers. Meanwhile, the square root function takes positive numbers only and maps them to positive numbers only.
All this is a long way of saying that the alternative to checking answers is understanding which algebraic steps are reversible and which are not. In practice, this is much harder than just checking every answer.
answered 7 mins ago
David Diaz
933420
933420
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.
Please pay close attention to the following guidance:
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3055574%2fwhy-do-i-keep-getting-this-incorrect-solution-for-this-polynomial-problem%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
Small typo: $sqrt{2x-2}^2$ should read $sqrt{2x-3}^2$.
– T. Ford
38 mins ago