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Teleportation circle (PHB, pg. 282) can be made permanent, as the spell description says:




You can create a permanent teleportation circle by casting this spell in the same location every day for one year.




Dispel magic (PHB, pg. 234) can only target an object, creature, or magical effect.



A permanent teleportation circle doesn't seem to be an object or magical effect; it is an inscription, a writing. Can it actually be dispelled?










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Teleportation circle (PHB, pg. 282) can be made permanent, as the spell description says:




You can create a permanent teleportation circle by casting this spell in the same location every day for one year.




Dispel magic (PHB, pg. 234) can only target an object, creature, or magical effect.



A permanent teleportation circle doesn't seem to be an object or magical effect; it is an inscription, a writing. Can it actually be dispelled?










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Teleportation circle (PHB, pg. 282) can be made permanent, as the spell description says:




You can create a permanent teleportation circle by casting this spell in the same location every day for one year.




Dispel magic (PHB, pg. 234) can only target an object, creature, or magical effect.



A permanent teleportation circle doesn't seem to be an object or magical effect; it is an inscription, a writing. Can it actually be dispelled?










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Teleportation circle (PHB, pg. 282) can be made permanent, as the spell description says:




You can create a permanent teleportation circle by casting this spell in the same location every day for one year.




Dispel magic (PHB, pg. 234) can only target an object, creature, or magical effect.



A permanent teleportation circle doesn't seem to be an object or magical effect; it is an inscription, a writing. Can it actually be dispelled?







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  • Related/followup, by you, just now: How can I make a spell dispel-proof?
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Yes. It can be dispelled.



As Jeremy Crawford indicates here.




If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled,
unless its description says otherwise.




So unless a spell description says otherwise it is still an effect of the spell and dispel magic ends spells.



Several reasons might arise to discourage someone from dispelling a Teleportation Circle that they find.




  1. They want more options for travel (jotting down the address for
    later use).

  2. Gentlemen's Agreement to not mess with other's work at that scale (because for wizards especially they know how much went into it).

  3. Surveillance of the comings and goings of certain individuals.


This doesn't change the fact that by RAW they can dispel it just descreases the likelihood that they would.






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    RAW, yes it can be dispelled.



    A Teleportation Circle would be a magical effect (it is the effect of a spell, after all). There is nothing in the spell description that says making it permanent changes this.



    And Dispel Magic specifically says it can target a magical effect as you point out.



    So this would work.



    On the other hand, it seems a bit harsh for a year of work to be cancelled out by a single casting of Dispel Magic! As a DM I might declare that a Teleportation Circle made permanent is now a magic item rather than a magic effect and therefore not affected by Dispel Magic (or possibly only temporarily suppressible). But this would be a homebrew ruling.






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      I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
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    • I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
      – V2Blast
      12 hours ago






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      Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
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    I'm not sure how accurate my interpretation is, but I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle is not a magical effect any more than someone's death due to Power Word Kill is, and thus unless Dispel Magic could resurrect someone killed with Power Word Kill, I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle can't be dispelled either.



    I have to disagree that the duration is permanent. The spell's duration is 1 round/6 seconds. The wording of the spell says you can "create a permanent teleportation circle", rather than extend the duration of anything. I'd argue that a "Permanent Teleportation Circle" is a completely separate thing from a Teleportation Circle, and that there's no magic holding one in place. I believe it to be more simply like a marker, perhaps a "dent" in the Weave so to speak. It doesn't teleport anything; rather, a normal Teleportation Circle does. A permanent circle simply serves as a marker for the spell to "lock on" to. The magic lasts 6 seconds each time the spell is used, but beyond that what is left is not a magical effect in my interpretation.






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      The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
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    • @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
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      So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
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    • @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
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    Yes. It can be dispelled.



    As Jeremy Crawford indicates here.




    If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled,
    unless its description says otherwise.




    So unless a spell description says otherwise it is still an effect of the spell and dispel magic ends spells.



    Several reasons might arise to discourage someone from dispelling a Teleportation Circle that they find.




    1. They want more options for travel (jotting down the address for
      later use).

    2. Gentlemen's Agreement to not mess with other's work at that scale (because for wizards especially they know how much went into it).

    3. Surveillance of the comings and goings of certain individuals.


    This doesn't change the fact that by RAW they can dispel it just descreases the likelihood that they would.






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      Yes. It can be dispelled.



      As Jeremy Crawford indicates here.




      If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled,
      unless its description says otherwise.




      So unless a spell description says otherwise it is still an effect of the spell and dispel magic ends spells.



      Several reasons might arise to discourage someone from dispelling a Teleportation Circle that they find.




      1. They want more options for travel (jotting down the address for
        later use).

      2. Gentlemen's Agreement to not mess with other's work at that scale (because for wizards especially they know how much went into it).

      3. Surveillance of the comings and goings of certain individuals.


      This doesn't change the fact that by RAW they can dispel it just descreases the likelihood that they would.






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        Yes. It can be dispelled.



        As Jeremy Crawford indicates here.




        If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled,
        unless its description says otherwise.




        So unless a spell description says otherwise it is still an effect of the spell and dispel magic ends spells.



        Several reasons might arise to discourage someone from dispelling a Teleportation Circle that they find.




        1. They want more options for travel (jotting down the address for
          later use).

        2. Gentlemen's Agreement to not mess with other's work at that scale (because for wizards especially they know how much went into it).

        3. Surveillance of the comings and goings of certain individuals.


        This doesn't change the fact that by RAW they can dispel it just descreases the likelihood that they would.






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        Yes. It can be dispelled.



        As Jeremy Crawford indicates here.




        If the effect of a spell becomes permanent, it can be dispelled,
        unless its description says otherwise.




        So unless a spell description says otherwise it is still an effect of the spell and dispel magic ends spells.



        Several reasons might arise to discourage someone from dispelling a Teleportation Circle that they find.




        1. They want more options for travel (jotting down the address for
          later use).

        2. Gentlemen's Agreement to not mess with other's work at that scale (because for wizards especially they know how much went into it).

        3. Surveillance of the comings and goings of certain individuals.


        This doesn't change the fact that by RAW they can dispel it just descreases the likelihood that they would.







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            RAW, yes it can be dispelled.



            A Teleportation Circle would be a magical effect (it is the effect of a spell, after all). There is nothing in the spell description that says making it permanent changes this.



            And Dispel Magic specifically says it can target a magical effect as you point out.



            So this would work.



            On the other hand, it seems a bit harsh for a year of work to be cancelled out by a single casting of Dispel Magic! As a DM I might declare that a Teleportation Circle made permanent is now a magic item rather than a magic effect and therefore not affected by Dispel Magic (or possibly only temporarily suppressible). But this would be a homebrew ruling.






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              I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
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            • I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
              – V2Blast
              12 hours ago






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              Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
              – John Montgomery
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            RAW, yes it can be dispelled.



            A Teleportation Circle would be a magical effect (it is the effect of a spell, after all). There is nothing in the spell description that says making it permanent changes this.



            And Dispel Magic specifically says it can target a magical effect as you point out.



            So this would work.



            On the other hand, it seems a bit harsh for a year of work to be cancelled out by a single casting of Dispel Magic! As a DM I might declare that a Teleportation Circle made permanent is now a magic item rather than a magic effect and therefore not affected by Dispel Magic (or possibly only temporarily suppressible). But this would be a homebrew ruling.






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            • 1




              I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
              – Slagmoth
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            • I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
              – V2Blast
              12 hours ago






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              Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
              – John Montgomery
              8 hours ago













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            RAW, yes it can be dispelled.



            A Teleportation Circle would be a magical effect (it is the effect of a spell, after all). There is nothing in the spell description that says making it permanent changes this.



            And Dispel Magic specifically says it can target a magical effect as you point out.



            So this would work.



            On the other hand, it seems a bit harsh for a year of work to be cancelled out by a single casting of Dispel Magic! As a DM I might declare that a Teleportation Circle made permanent is now a magic item rather than a magic effect and therefore not affected by Dispel Magic (or possibly only temporarily suppressible). But this would be a homebrew ruling.






            share|improve this answer












            RAW, yes it can be dispelled.



            A Teleportation Circle would be a magical effect (it is the effect of a spell, after all). There is nothing in the spell description that says making it permanent changes this.



            And Dispel Magic specifically says it can target a magical effect as you point out.



            So this would work.



            On the other hand, it seems a bit harsh for a year of work to be cancelled out by a single casting of Dispel Magic! As a DM I might declare that a Teleportation Circle made permanent is now a magic item rather than a magic effect and therefore not affected by Dispel Magic (or possibly only temporarily suppressible). But this would be a homebrew ruling.







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              I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
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            • I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
              – V2Blast
              12 hours ago






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              Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
              – John Montgomery
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            • 1




              I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
              – Slagmoth
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            • I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
              – V2Blast
              12 hours ago






            • 8




              Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
              – John Montgomery
              8 hours ago








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            I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
            – Slagmoth
            12 hours ago




            I agree it is a bit harsh and making it a magic item is a viable option. I would probably change the creation of permanent circles to more in lines with the magic item creation guidelines instead of the year of work if I went that route. Making the components hard to get to keep instances of permanent TCs down. So creation time would decrease but difficulty would be the same relatively. Also would cut down on the amount of down time you would need to spend on it.
            – Slagmoth
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            I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
            – V2Blast
            12 hours ago




            I feel like there's a question somewhere on this site about how to protect a permanent teleportation circle from being dispelled as well... Can't find it in search, though. (Vylix did just ask the question more generally.)
            – V2Blast
            12 hours ago




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            Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
            – John Montgomery
            8 hours ago




            Maybe houserule the effect of dispel magic to be in line with the effort of the circle's creation? Casting it suppresses the circle for one day, and if you cast it every day for a year the circle is permanently dispelled.
            – John Montgomery
            8 hours ago










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            I'm not sure how accurate my interpretation is, but I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle is not a magical effect any more than someone's death due to Power Word Kill is, and thus unless Dispel Magic could resurrect someone killed with Power Word Kill, I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle can't be dispelled either.



            I have to disagree that the duration is permanent. The spell's duration is 1 round/6 seconds. The wording of the spell says you can "create a permanent teleportation circle", rather than extend the duration of anything. I'd argue that a "Permanent Teleportation Circle" is a completely separate thing from a Teleportation Circle, and that there's no magic holding one in place. I believe it to be more simply like a marker, perhaps a "dent" in the Weave so to speak. It doesn't teleport anything; rather, a normal Teleportation Circle does. A permanent circle simply serves as a marker for the spell to "lock on" to. The magic lasts 6 seconds each time the spell is used, but beyond that what is left is not a magical effect in my interpretation.






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              The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
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            • @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
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              So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
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            • @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
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            I'm not sure how accurate my interpretation is, but I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle is not a magical effect any more than someone's death due to Power Word Kill is, and thus unless Dispel Magic could resurrect someone killed with Power Word Kill, I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle can't be dispelled either.



            I have to disagree that the duration is permanent. The spell's duration is 1 round/6 seconds. The wording of the spell says you can "create a permanent teleportation circle", rather than extend the duration of anything. I'd argue that a "Permanent Teleportation Circle" is a completely separate thing from a Teleportation Circle, and that there's no magic holding one in place. I believe it to be more simply like a marker, perhaps a "dent" in the Weave so to speak. It doesn't teleport anything; rather, a normal Teleportation Circle does. A permanent circle simply serves as a marker for the spell to "lock on" to. The magic lasts 6 seconds each time the spell is used, but beyond that what is left is not a magical effect in my interpretation.






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              The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
              – Rubiksmoose
              9 hours ago












            • @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
              – Duncan X Simpson
              8 hours ago






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              So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
              – Rubiksmoose
              8 hours ago










            • @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
              – Duncan X Simpson
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            I'm not sure how accurate my interpretation is, but I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle is not a magical effect any more than someone's death due to Power Word Kill is, and thus unless Dispel Magic could resurrect someone killed with Power Word Kill, I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle can't be dispelled either.



            I have to disagree that the duration is permanent. The spell's duration is 1 round/6 seconds. The wording of the spell says you can "create a permanent teleportation circle", rather than extend the duration of anything. I'd argue that a "Permanent Teleportation Circle" is a completely separate thing from a Teleportation Circle, and that there's no magic holding one in place. I believe it to be more simply like a marker, perhaps a "dent" in the Weave so to speak. It doesn't teleport anything; rather, a normal Teleportation Circle does. A permanent circle simply serves as a marker for the spell to "lock on" to. The magic lasts 6 seconds each time the spell is used, but beyond that what is left is not a magical effect in my interpretation.






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            I'm not sure how accurate my interpretation is, but I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle is not a magical effect any more than someone's death due to Power Word Kill is, and thus unless Dispel Magic could resurrect someone killed with Power Word Kill, I'd argue a permanent teleportation circle can't be dispelled either.



            I have to disagree that the duration is permanent. The spell's duration is 1 round/6 seconds. The wording of the spell says you can "create a permanent teleportation circle", rather than extend the duration of anything. I'd argue that a "Permanent Teleportation Circle" is a completely separate thing from a Teleportation Circle, and that there's no magic holding one in place. I believe it to be more simply like a marker, perhaps a "dent" in the Weave so to speak. It doesn't teleport anything; rather, a normal Teleportation Circle does. A permanent circle simply serves as a marker for the spell to "lock on" to. The magic lasts 6 seconds each time the spell is used, but beyond that what is left is not a magical effect in my interpretation.







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              The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
              – Rubiksmoose
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            • @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
              – Duncan X Simpson
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              So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
              – Rubiksmoose
              8 hours ago










            • @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
              – Duncan X Simpson
              8 hours ago














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              The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
              – Rubiksmoose
              9 hours ago












            • @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
              – Duncan X Simpson
              8 hours ago






            • 1




              So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
              – Rubiksmoose
              8 hours ago










            • @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
              – Duncan X Simpson
              8 hours ago








            3




            3




            The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
            – Rubiksmoose
            9 hours ago






            The difference is a matter of duration. PWK has a duration of instantaneous which means that the instant after it takes effect there is no more magic remaining. There is not magic keeping the creature dead in this case for example. However, Teleportation Circle would have a duration of Permanent which means the spell just keeps going. Thus, there is still magic there - the spell hasn't ended.
            – Rubiksmoose
            9 hours ago














            @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
            – Duncan X Simpson
            8 hours ago




            @Rubiksmoose See updated answer.
            – Duncan X Simpson
            8 hours ago




            1




            1




            So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
            – Rubiksmoose
            8 hours ago




            So you are saying that this is a completely non-magical something that has the effect of teleporting you across great distances? Even if you are correct in saying that a permanent teleportation circle is different from a teleportation circle where is your evidence showing that this separate entity (which is completely different from TC) is not magical?
            – Rubiksmoose
            8 hours ago












            @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
            – Duncan X Simpson
            8 hours ago




            @Rubiksmoose I believe that it serves more as a marker, perhaps like a "dent" in the Weave. It doesn't do anything on its own; a normal Teleportation Circle does that. I'm not sure how well I'm articulating my thoughts, but I think that describes them well
            – Duncan X Simpson
            8 hours ago


















             

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