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I have defined "SHELL" variable in /etc/crontab file:



[martin@martin ~]$ grep SHELL /etc/crontab 
SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
[martin@martin ~]$ file /usr/local/bin/bash
/usr/local/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.0 (800107), stripped
[martin@martin ~]$


In addition, all my scripts in /etc/crontab file are started under user "martin". However /home/martin/.bash_profile(for login shell) and /home/martin/.bashrc(for non-logging shell) contain some variables which are ignored in case of cron job, but are used in case I log into machine over SSH or open new bash session. Why cron ignores those variables? Isn't cron simply executing "/usr/local/bin/bash my-script.sh" with permissions for user "martin"?










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  • Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

    – joeytwiddle
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I have defined "SHELL" variable in /etc/crontab file:



[martin@martin ~]$ grep SHELL /etc/crontab 
SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
[martin@martin ~]$ file /usr/local/bin/bash
/usr/local/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.0 (800107), stripped
[martin@martin ~]$


In addition, all my scripts in /etc/crontab file are started under user "martin". However /home/martin/.bash_profile(for login shell) and /home/martin/.bashrc(for non-logging shell) contain some variables which are ignored in case of cron job, but are used in case I log into machine over SSH or open new bash session. Why cron ignores those variables? Isn't cron simply executing "/usr/local/bin/bash my-script.sh" with permissions for user "martin"?










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  • Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

    – joeytwiddle
    Oct 4 '18 at 8:38














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I have defined "SHELL" variable in /etc/crontab file:



[martin@martin ~]$ grep SHELL /etc/crontab 
SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
[martin@martin ~]$ file /usr/local/bin/bash
/usr/local/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.0 (800107), stripped
[martin@martin ~]$


In addition, all my scripts in /etc/crontab file are started under user "martin". However /home/martin/.bash_profile(for login shell) and /home/martin/.bashrc(for non-logging shell) contain some variables which are ignored in case of cron job, but are used in case I log into machine over SSH or open new bash session. Why cron ignores those variables? Isn't cron simply executing "/usr/local/bin/bash my-script.sh" with permissions for user "martin"?










share|improve this question














I have defined "SHELL" variable in /etc/crontab file:



[martin@martin ~]$ grep SHELL /etc/crontab 
SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
[martin@martin ~]$ file /usr/local/bin/bash
/usr/local/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.0 (800107), stripped
[martin@martin ~]$


In addition, all my scripts in /etc/crontab file are started under user "martin". However /home/martin/.bash_profile(for login shell) and /home/martin/.bashrc(for non-logging shell) contain some variables which are ignored in case of cron job, but are used in case I log into machine over SSH or open new bash session. Why cron ignores those variables? Isn't cron simply executing "/usr/local/bin/bash my-script.sh" with permissions for user "martin"?







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  • Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

    – joeytwiddle
    Oct 4 '18 at 8:38



















  • Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

    – joeytwiddle
    Oct 4 '18 at 8:38

















Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

– joeytwiddle
Oct 4 '18 at 8:38





Ubuntu users may like to note that Ubuntu's default .bashrc has a line that stops it from running in non-interactive shells.

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You can source the file you want at the top of the script or beginning of the job for the user that is executing the job. The "source" command is a built-in. You'd do the same thing if you made edits to those files to load the changes.



* * * * * source /home/user/.bash_profile; <command>


or



#!/bin/bash
source /home/user/.bash_profile

<commands>





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    Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

    – Jonathan
    May 3 '17 at 7:40











  • ^ source not found error fix

    – Danny Bullis
    Feb 1 '18 at 1:33





















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Because it's not an interactive shell. The same happens when you open some terminals.



Have a look at this question: What is the .bashrc file? | Super User



And also at this one:



What's the difference between .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .environment? | Stack Overflow



Different scripts fire depending on if the connection is a login shell (or not), an interactive shell (or not), or both.



If you want to make bashrc you'll need to make this change:




When Bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, for
example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment,
expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value as
the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the
following command were executed:



if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . "$BASH_ENV"; fi 


but the value of the PATH variable is not used to search for the file name.



As noted above, if a non-interactive shell is invoked with the --login option, Bash attempts to read and execute commands from the login shell startup files.




Source: Bash Startup Files | Bash Reference Manual | gnu.org






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  • So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

    – CMCDragonkai
    Dec 11 '15 at 7:19



















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You may not be able to run source if the sh shell is being used. This can be changed by adding the following line in your crontab:



SHELL=/bin/bash
* * * * * source "/root/.bashrc"; <command>


You can also specify the environment:



BASH_ENV="/root/.bashrc"
* * * * * <command>


or you can use your local /home/user/.bashrc if it is a user cron job (e.g. crontab -e).



Note that .bash_profile can replace .bashrc, if it exists.



Credit: How to change cron shell (sh to bash)?






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  • this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

    – Alejandro Moreno
    Jan 22 at 17:58





















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bash acts differently whether it is a shell or a normal progamming language (like perl or python).



By designed, those settings in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. are for users to set things when bash plays the roll of a shell (login shell, interractive shell). Think about environment you have in a xterm (interractive shell) or in ssh sessions (login shell) or in consoles (login shell).



In other hand, bash is also a powerfull progamming language --think about many scripts for managing services in systemd-- which requires a different style of working. Example, when a developer write a system script or a bash program, he/she will not likely to source user defined ~/.bash_profile automatically. It is a normal program, not a shell. A normal program (including bash programs) would naturally inherrit setting in a current working evironement (shell), but not set them.



If we write a program for cron in bash --it is just happenly it is written in bash; in fact, we can write it in python or perl or any other progamming language-- then, we can have an option to sources bash's ~/.bash_profile (read: setting of user's shell, which happenly to be the same language of your programming language):



[ -f /home/user/.bash_profile ] && . /home/user/.bash_profile


However, what if that particular user do not use bash as his/her shell? He/she may use zsh, 'ksh,fish`, etc. So, that's practice does not really work when writing program for public use.



So, you can source ~/.bash_profile if you think it work. But, here, it is not about whether we are able to source a file, it is about how things should works in the system: the design concept. In short: we should view bash as something having 2 rolls: shell and progamming language. Then everything will be clear, easier to understand.






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    Something else that might interfere with the sourcing of your .bashrc from a cronjob is any checks that this file does in order to detect interactive shells.



    For example, on Ubuntu 18.04, the default .bashrc for a user starts with this:



    # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
    # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
    # for examples

    # If not running interactively, don't do anything
    case $- in
    *i*) ;;
    *) return;;
    esac


    and so sourcing it won't do anything useful since it will exit immediately.





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      My way to deal with it was this:



      1) Putting my variables in (the end of) ~/.profile:



      myVarInDotProfile="someValue"


      2) Creating a Bash script for my (daily) cron tasks (~/cronDaily.sh) containing my commands plus repetitive sourcing of ~/.profle:



      source ~/.profile
      command ${myVarInDotProfile}/


      3) scheduling my script's execution from crontab, to run daily:



      0 0 * * * bash ~/cronDaily.sh


      My variable wasn't ignored and the commands ran successfully.





      Some may say such intense sourcing of ~/.profile is problematic. In my particular case I don't see why it is a problem but I would advice to consider creating a dedicated file for that.



      In general, there might be a better way to this but that's what worked for me after a lot of pain and it explains the principle that as of Bash 4.3.46, you cannot source a file from crontab.






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        You can source the file you want at the top of the script or beginning of the job for the user that is executing the job. The "source" command is a built-in. You'd do the same thing if you made edits to those files to load the changes.



        * * * * * source /home/user/.bash_profile; <command>


        or



        #!/bin/bash
        source /home/user/.bash_profile

        <commands>





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          Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

          – Jonathan
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        • ^ source not found error fix

          – Danny Bullis
          Feb 1 '18 at 1:33


















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        You can source the file you want at the top of the script or beginning of the job for the user that is executing the job. The "source" command is a built-in. You'd do the same thing if you made edits to those files to load the changes.



        * * * * * source /home/user/.bash_profile; <command>


        or



        #!/bin/bash
        source /home/user/.bash_profile

        <commands>





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        • 2





          Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

          – Jonathan
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        • ^ source not found error fix

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        You can source the file you want at the top of the script or beginning of the job for the user that is executing the job. The "source" command is a built-in. You'd do the same thing if you made edits to those files to load the changes.



        * * * * * source /home/user/.bash_profile; <command>


        or



        #!/bin/bash
        source /home/user/.bash_profile

        <commands>





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        You can source the file you want at the top of the script or beginning of the job for the user that is executing the job. The "source" command is a built-in. You'd do the same thing if you made edits to those files to load the changes.



        * * * * * source /home/user/.bash_profile; <command>


        or



        #!/bin/bash
        source /home/user/.bash_profile

        <commands>






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          Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

          – Jonathan
          May 3 '17 at 7:40











        • ^ source not found error fix

          – Danny Bullis
          Feb 1 '18 at 1:33
















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          Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

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        • ^ source not found error fix

          – Danny Bullis
          Feb 1 '18 at 1:33










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        Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

        – Jonathan
        May 3 '17 at 7:40





        Note that "source" might not work if cron is not using the bash shell. I've added an answer that can handle the case when the shell is sh.

        – Jonathan
        May 3 '17 at 7:40













        ^ source not found error fix

        – Danny Bullis
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        ^ source not found error fix

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        Because it's not an interactive shell. The same happens when you open some terminals.



        Have a look at this question: What is the .bashrc file? | Super User



        And also at this one:



        What's the difference between .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .environment? | Stack Overflow



        Different scripts fire depending on if the connection is a login shell (or not), an interactive shell (or not), or both.



        If you want to make bashrc you'll need to make this change:




        When Bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, for
        example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment,
        expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value as
        the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the
        following command were executed:



        if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . "$BASH_ENV"; fi 


        but the value of the PATH variable is not used to search for the file name.



        As noted above, if a non-interactive shell is invoked with the --login option, Bash attempts to read and execute commands from the login shell startup files.




        Source: Bash Startup Files | Bash Reference Manual | gnu.org






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        • So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

          – CMCDragonkai
          Dec 11 '15 at 7:19
















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        Because it's not an interactive shell. The same happens when you open some terminals.



        Have a look at this question: What is the .bashrc file? | Super User



        And also at this one:



        What's the difference between .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .environment? | Stack Overflow



        Different scripts fire depending on if the connection is a login shell (or not), an interactive shell (or not), or both.



        If you want to make bashrc you'll need to make this change:




        When Bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, for
        example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment,
        expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value as
        the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the
        following command were executed:



        if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . "$BASH_ENV"; fi 


        but the value of the PATH variable is not used to search for the file name.



        As noted above, if a non-interactive shell is invoked with the --login option, Bash attempts to read and execute commands from the login shell startup files.




        Source: Bash Startup Files | Bash Reference Manual | gnu.org






        share|improve this answer


























        • So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

          – CMCDragonkai
          Dec 11 '15 at 7:19














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        Because it's not an interactive shell. The same happens when you open some terminals.



        Have a look at this question: What is the .bashrc file? | Super User



        And also at this one:



        What's the difference between .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .environment? | Stack Overflow



        Different scripts fire depending on if the connection is a login shell (or not), an interactive shell (or not), or both.



        If you want to make bashrc you'll need to make this change:




        When Bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, for
        example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment,
        expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value as
        the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the
        following command were executed:



        if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . "$BASH_ENV"; fi 


        but the value of the PATH variable is not used to search for the file name.



        As noted above, if a non-interactive shell is invoked with the --login option, Bash attempts to read and execute commands from the login shell startup files.




        Source: Bash Startup Files | Bash Reference Manual | gnu.org






        share|improve this answer















        Because it's not an interactive shell. The same happens when you open some terminals.



        Have a look at this question: What is the .bashrc file? | Super User



        And also at this one:



        What's the difference between .bashrc, .bash_profile, and .environment? | Stack Overflow



        Different scripts fire depending on if the connection is a login shell (or not), an interactive shell (or not), or both.



        If you want to make bashrc you'll need to make this change:




        When Bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, for
        example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment,
        expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value as
        the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the
        following command were executed:



        if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . "$BASH_ENV"; fi 


        but the value of the PATH variable is not used to search for the file name.



        As noted above, if a non-interactive shell is invoked with the --login option, Bash attempts to read and execute commands from the login shell startup files.




        Source: Bash Startup Files | Bash Reference Manual | gnu.org







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        • So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

          – CMCDragonkai
          Dec 11 '15 at 7:19



















        • So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

          – CMCDragonkai
          Dec 11 '15 at 7:19

















        So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

        – CMCDragonkai
        Dec 11 '15 at 7:19





        So if we set BASH_ENV inside Cron, cron bash scripts will source that because cron is non-interactive and non-login.

        – CMCDragonkai
        Dec 11 '15 at 7:19











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        You may not be able to run source if the sh shell is being used. This can be changed by adding the following line in your crontab:



        SHELL=/bin/bash
        * * * * * source "/root/.bashrc"; <command>


        You can also specify the environment:



        BASH_ENV="/root/.bashrc"
        * * * * * <command>


        or you can use your local /home/user/.bashrc if it is a user cron job (e.g. crontab -e).



        Note that .bash_profile can replace .bashrc, if it exists.



        Credit: How to change cron shell (sh to bash)?






        share|improve this answer


























        • this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

          – Alejandro Moreno
          Jan 22 at 17:58


















        10














        You may not be able to run source if the sh shell is being used. This can be changed by adding the following line in your crontab:



        SHELL=/bin/bash
        * * * * * source "/root/.bashrc"; <command>


        You can also specify the environment:



        BASH_ENV="/root/.bashrc"
        * * * * * <command>


        or you can use your local /home/user/.bashrc if it is a user cron job (e.g. crontab -e).



        Note that .bash_profile can replace .bashrc, if it exists.



        Credit: How to change cron shell (sh to bash)?






        share|improve this answer


























        • this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

          – Alejandro Moreno
          Jan 22 at 17:58
















        10












        10








        10







        You may not be able to run source if the sh shell is being used. This can be changed by adding the following line in your crontab:



        SHELL=/bin/bash
        * * * * * source "/root/.bashrc"; <command>


        You can also specify the environment:



        BASH_ENV="/root/.bashrc"
        * * * * * <command>


        or you can use your local /home/user/.bashrc if it is a user cron job (e.g. crontab -e).



        Note that .bash_profile can replace .bashrc, if it exists.



        Credit: How to change cron shell (sh to bash)?






        share|improve this answer















        You may not be able to run source if the sh shell is being used. This can be changed by adding the following line in your crontab:



        SHELL=/bin/bash
        * * * * * source "/root/.bashrc"; <command>


        You can also specify the environment:



        BASH_ENV="/root/.bashrc"
        * * * * * <command>


        or you can use your local /home/user/.bashrc if it is a user cron job (e.g. crontab -e).



        Note that .bash_profile can replace .bashrc, if it exists.



        Credit: How to change cron shell (sh to bash)?







        share|improve this answer














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        JonathanJonathan

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        • this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

          – Alejandro Moreno
          Jan 22 at 17:58





















        • this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

          – Alejandro Moreno
          Jan 22 at 17:58



















        this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

        – Alejandro Moreno
        Jan 22 at 17:58







        this works well also for Acquia Cloud Scheduled jobs, which are basically cron jobs. You can do the same, like: SHELL=/bin/bash && source /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.bash_profile && sh ....

        – Alejandro Moreno
        Jan 22 at 17:58













        0














        bash acts differently whether it is a shell or a normal progamming language (like perl or python).



        By designed, those settings in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. are for users to set things when bash plays the roll of a shell (login shell, interractive shell). Think about environment you have in a xterm (interractive shell) or in ssh sessions (login shell) or in consoles (login shell).



        In other hand, bash is also a powerfull progamming language --think about many scripts for managing services in systemd-- which requires a different style of working. Example, when a developer write a system script or a bash program, he/she will not likely to source user defined ~/.bash_profile automatically. It is a normal program, not a shell. A normal program (including bash programs) would naturally inherrit setting in a current working evironement (shell), but not set them.



        If we write a program for cron in bash --it is just happenly it is written in bash; in fact, we can write it in python or perl or any other progamming language-- then, we can have an option to sources bash's ~/.bash_profile (read: setting of user's shell, which happenly to be the same language of your programming language):



        [ -f /home/user/.bash_profile ] && . /home/user/.bash_profile


        However, what if that particular user do not use bash as his/her shell? He/she may use zsh, 'ksh,fish`, etc. So, that's practice does not really work when writing program for public use.



        So, you can source ~/.bash_profile if you think it work. But, here, it is not about whether we are able to source a file, it is about how things should works in the system: the design concept. In short: we should view bash as something having 2 rolls: shell and progamming language. Then everything will be clear, easier to understand.






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          bash acts differently whether it is a shell or a normal progamming language (like perl or python).



          By designed, those settings in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. are for users to set things when bash plays the roll of a shell (login shell, interractive shell). Think about environment you have in a xterm (interractive shell) or in ssh sessions (login shell) or in consoles (login shell).



          In other hand, bash is also a powerfull progamming language --think about many scripts for managing services in systemd-- which requires a different style of working. Example, when a developer write a system script or a bash program, he/she will not likely to source user defined ~/.bash_profile automatically. It is a normal program, not a shell. A normal program (including bash programs) would naturally inherrit setting in a current working evironement (shell), but not set them.



          If we write a program for cron in bash --it is just happenly it is written in bash; in fact, we can write it in python or perl or any other progamming language-- then, we can have an option to sources bash's ~/.bash_profile (read: setting of user's shell, which happenly to be the same language of your programming language):



          [ -f /home/user/.bash_profile ] && . /home/user/.bash_profile


          However, what if that particular user do not use bash as his/her shell? He/she may use zsh, 'ksh,fish`, etc. So, that's practice does not really work when writing program for public use.



          So, you can source ~/.bash_profile if you think it work. But, here, it is not about whether we are able to source a file, it is about how things should works in the system: the design concept. In short: we should view bash as something having 2 rolls: shell and progamming language. Then everything will be clear, easier to understand.






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            bash acts differently whether it is a shell or a normal progamming language (like perl or python).



            By designed, those settings in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. are for users to set things when bash plays the roll of a shell (login shell, interractive shell). Think about environment you have in a xterm (interractive shell) or in ssh sessions (login shell) or in consoles (login shell).



            In other hand, bash is also a powerfull progamming language --think about many scripts for managing services in systemd-- which requires a different style of working. Example, when a developer write a system script or a bash program, he/she will not likely to source user defined ~/.bash_profile automatically. It is a normal program, not a shell. A normal program (including bash programs) would naturally inherrit setting in a current working evironement (shell), but not set them.



            If we write a program for cron in bash --it is just happenly it is written in bash; in fact, we can write it in python or perl or any other progamming language-- then, we can have an option to sources bash's ~/.bash_profile (read: setting of user's shell, which happenly to be the same language of your programming language):



            [ -f /home/user/.bash_profile ] && . /home/user/.bash_profile


            However, what if that particular user do not use bash as his/her shell? He/she may use zsh, 'ksh,fish`, etc. So, that's practice does not really work when writing program for public use.



            So, you can source ~/.bash_profile if you think it work. But, here, it is not about whether we are able to source a file, it is about how things should works in the system: the design concept. In short: we should view bash as something having 2 rolls: shell and progamming language. Then everything will be clear, easier to understand.






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            bash acts differently whether it is a shell or a normal progamming language (like perl or python).



            By designed, those settings in ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, etc. are for users to set things when bash plays the roll of a shell (login shell, interractive shell). Think about environment you have in a xterm (interractive shell) or in ssh sessions (login shell) or in consoles (login shell).



            In other hand, bash is also a powerfull progamming language --think about many scripts for managing services in systemd-- which requires a different style of working. Example, when a developer write a system script or a bash program, he/she will not likely to source user defined ~/.bash_profile automatically. It is a normal program, not a shell. A normal program (including bash programs) would naturally inherrit setting in a current working evironement (shell), but not set them.



            If we write a program for cron in bash --it is just happenly it is written in bash; in fact, we can write it in python or perl or any other progamming language-- then, we can have an option to sources bash's ~/.bash_profile (read: setting of user's shell, which happenly to be the same language of your programming language):



            [ -f /home/user/.bash_profile ] && . /home/user/.bash_profile


            However, what if that particular user do not use bash as his/her shell? He/she may use zsh, 'ksh,fish`, etc. So, that's practice does not really work when writing program for public use.



            So, you can source ~/.bash_profile if you think it work. But, here, it is not about whether we are able to source a file, it is about how things should works in the system: the design concept. In short: we should view bash as something having 2 rolls: shell and progamming language. Then everything will be clear, easier to understand.







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                Something else that might interfere with the sourcing of your .bashrc from a cronjob is any checks that this file does in order to detect interactive shells.



                For example, on Ubuntu 18.04, the default .bashrc for a user starts with this:



                # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
                # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
                # for examples

                # If not running interactively, don't do anything
                case $- in
                *i*) ;;
                *) return;;
                esac


                and so sourcing it won't do anything useful since it will exit immediately.





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                  Something else that might interfere with the sourcing of your .bashrc from a cronjob is any checks that this file does in order to detect interactive shells.



                  For example, on Ubuntu 18.04, the default .bashrc for a user starts with this:



                  # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
                  # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
                  # for examples

                  # If not running interactively, don't do anything
                  case $- in
                  *i*) ;;
                  *) return;;
                  esac


                  and so sourcing it won't do anything useful since it will exit immediately.





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                    Something else that might interfere with the sourcing of your .bashrc from a cronjob is any checks that this file does in order to detect interactive shells.



                    For example, on Ubuntu 18.04, the default .bashrc for a user starts with this:



                    # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
                    # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
                    # for examples

                    # If not running interactively, don't do anything
                    case $- in
                    *i*) ;;
                    *) return;;
                    esac


                    and so sourcing it won't do anything useful since it will exit immediately.





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                    Something else that might interfere with the sourcing of your .bashrc from a cronjob is any checks that this file does in order to detect interactive shells.



                    For example, on Ubuntu 18.04, the default .bashrc for a user starts with this:



                    # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
                    # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
                    # for examples

                    # If not running interactively, don't do anything
                    case $- in
                    *i*) ;;
                    *) return;;
                    esac


                    and so sourcing it won't do anything useful since it will exit immediately.






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                        My way to deal with it was this:



                        1) Putting my variables in (the end of) ~/.profile:



                        myVarInDotProfile="someValue"


                        2) Creating a Bash script for my (daily) cron tasks (~/cronDaily.sh) containing my commands plus repetitive sourcing of ~/.profle:



                        source ~/.profile
                        command ${myVarInDotProfile}/


                        3) scheduling my script's execution from crontab, to run daily:



                        0 0 * * * bash ~/cronDaily.sh


                        My variable wasn't ignored and the commands ran successfully.





                        Some may say such intense sourcing of ~/.profile is problematic. In my particular case I don't see why it is a problem but I would advice to consider creating a dedicated file for that.



                        In general, there might be a better way to this but that's what worked for me after a lot of pain and it explains the principle that as of Bash 4.3.46, you cannot source a file from crontab.






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                          My way to deal with it was this:



                          1) Putting my variables in (the end of) ~/.profile:



                          myVarInDotProfile="someValue"


                          2) Creating a Bash script for my (daily) cron tasks (~/cronDaily.sh) containing my commands plus repetitive sourcing of ~/.profle:



                          source ~/.profile
                          command ${myVarInDotProfile}/


                          3) scheduling my script's execution from crontab, to run daily:



                          0 0 * * * bash ~/cronDaily.sh


                          My variable wasn't ignored and the commands ran successfully.





                          Some may say such intense sourcing of ~/.profile is problematic. In my particular case I don't see why it is a problem but I would advice to consider creating a dedicated file for that.



                          In general, there might be a better way to this but that's what worked for me after a lot of pain and it explains the principle that as of Bash 4.3.46, you cannot source a file from crontab.






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                            My way to deal with it was this:



                            1) Putting my variables in (the end of) ~/.profile:



                            myVarInDotProfile="someValue"


                            2) Creating a Bash script for my (daily) cron tasks (~/cronDaily.sh) containing my commands plus repetitive sourcing of ~/.profle:



                            source ~/.profile
                            command ${myVarInDotProfile}/


                            3) scheduling my script's execution from crontab, to run daily:



                            0 0 * * * bash ~/cronDaily.sh


                            My variable wasn't ignored and the commands ran successfully.





                            Some may say such intense sourcing of ~/.profile is problematic. In my particular case I don't see why it is a problem but I would advice to consider creating a dedicated file for that.



                            In general, there might be a better way to this but that's what worked for me after a lot of pain and it explains the principle that as of Bash 4.3.46, you cannot source a file from crontab.






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                            My way to deal with it was this:



                            1) Putting my variables in (the end of) ~/.profile:



                            myVarInDotProfile="someValue"


                            2) Creating a Bash script for my (daily) cron tasks (~/cronDaily.sh) containing my commands plus repetitive sourcing of ~/.profle:



                            source ~/.profile
                            command ${myVarInDotProfile}/


                            3) scheduling my script's execution from crontab, to run daily:



                            0 0 * * * bash ~/cronDaily.sh


                            My variable wasn't ignored and the commands ran successfully.





                            Some may say such intense sourcing of ~/.profile is problematic. In my particular case I don't see why it is a problem but I would advice to consider creating a dedicated file for that.



                            In general, there might be a better way to this but that's what worked for me after a lot of pain and it explains the principle that as of Bash 4.3.46, you cannot source a file from crontab.







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