what dependency-based linux init systems suitable for embedded systems?
Currently, I run Linux on an arm board using Sysvinit, but the network drivers of my board are not the best which causes the network service to stall the boot for a while, I also have problems with framebuffer initializations being a bit late.
The solution to my problem would be to user parallel service starting, I can enable that in Sysvinit but there will be a dependency nightmare, so I need an init system that support dependencies and can run services in parallel.
So far I've found cinit and after reading about it I really like the idea behind it and implementation(I haven't tested it though), from what I've read it seems it's a simple system which is somewhat compatible with Sysvinit, it has "want" and "need" dependency types(similar to systemd wants and require).
The cinit project hasn't been updated since 2009 and the main git repo is down, only the github mirror repo is still functioning, so it's clear that the project is dead.
Is the project maintained elsewhere? as a fork maybe?
What other similar init systems do we have that has those functionalities? it should be suitable for embedded systems(small footprint), I don't like systemd especially on an embedded system where I continually work on and debug booting.
Update: I'm also looking to test my board with build systems, so I would prefer if the init system is compatible with build systems such as Yoctoproject and Buildroot.
init-script init sysvinit
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Currently, I run Linux on an arm board using Sysvinit, but the network drivers of my board are not the best which causes the network service to stall the boot for a while, I also have problems with framebuffer initializations being a bit late.
The solution to my problem would be to user parallel service starting, I can enable that in Sysvinit but there will be a dependency nightmare, so I need an init system that support dependencies and can run services in parallel.
So far I've found cinit and after reading about it I really like the idea behind it and implementation(I haven't tested it though), from what I've read it seems it's a simple system which is somewhat compatible with Sysvinit, it has "want" and "need" dependency types(similar to systemd wants and require).
The cinit project hasn't been updated since 2009 and the main git repo is down, only the github mirror repo is still functioning, so it's clear that the project is dead.
Is the project maintained elsewhere? as a fork maybe?
What other similar init systems do we have that has those functionalities? it should be suitable for embedded systems(small footprint), I don't like systemd especially on an embedded system where I continually work on and debug booting.
Update: I'm also looking to test my board with build systems, so I would prefer if the init system is compatible with build systems such as Yoctoproject and Buildroot.
init-script init sysvinit
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
Any problem in usingsystemdthe one every distro is using today?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
3
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
What aboutopenrcgithub.com/OpenRC/openrc ?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26
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Currently, I run Linux on an arm board using Sysvinit, but the network drivers of my board are not the best which causes the network service to stall the boot for a while, I also have problems with framebuffer initializations being a bit late.
The solution to my problem would be to user parallel service starting, I can enable that in Sysvinit but there will be a dependency nightmare, so I need an init system that support dependencies and can run services in parallel.
So far I've found cinit and after reading about it I really like the idea behind it and implementation(I haven't tested it though), from what I've read it seems it's a simple system which is somewhat compatible with Sysvinit, it has "want" and "need" dependency types(similar to systemd wants and require).
The cinit project hasn't been updated since 2009 and the main git repo is down, only the github mirror repo is still functioning, so it's clear that the project is dead.
Is the project maintained elsewhere? as a fork maybe?
What other similar init systems do we have that has those functionalities? it should be suitable for embedded systems(small footprint), I don't like systemd especially on an embedded system where I continually work on and debug booting.
Update: I'm also looking to test my board with build systems, so I would prefer if the init system is compatible with build systems such as Yoctoproject and Buildroot.
init-script init sysvinit
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
Currently, I run Linux on an arm board using Sysvinit, but the network drivers of my board are not the best which causes the network service to stall the boot for a while, I also have problems with framebuffer initializations being a bit late.
The solution to my problem would be to user parallel service starting, I can enable that in Sysvinit but there will be a dependency nightmare, so I need an init system that support dependencies and can run services in parallel.
So far I've found cinit and after reading about it I really like the idea behind it and implementation(I haven't tested it though), from what I've read it seems it's a simple system which is somewhat compatible with Sysvinit, it has "want" and "need" dependency types(similar to systemd wants and require).
The cinit project hasn't been updated since 2009 and the main git repo is down, only the github mirror repo is still functioning, so it's clear that the project is dead.
Is the project maintained elsewhere? as a fork maybe?
What other similar init systems do we have that has those functionalities? it should be suitable for embedded systems(small footprint), I don't like systemd especially on an embedded system where I continually work on and debug booting.
Update: I'm also looking to test my board with build systems, so I would prefer if the init system is compatible with build systems such as Yoctoproject and Buildroot.
init-script init sysvinit
init-script init sysvinit
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
edited Aug 28 '18 at 8:48
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
asked Aug 28 '18 at 6:46
MOHAMMAD RASIM
688
688
Any problem in usingsystemdthe one every distro is using today?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
3
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
What aboutopenrcgithub.com/OpenRC/openrc ?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26
add a comment |
Any problem in usingsystemdthe one every distro is using today?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
3
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
What aboutopenrcgithub.com/OpenRC/openrc ?
– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26
Any problem in using
systemd the one every distro is using today?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
Any problem in using
systemd the one every distro is using today?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
3
3
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
What about
openrc github.com/OpenRC/openrc ?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26
What about
openrc github.com/OpenRC/openrc ?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26
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There is a whole page dedicated to this purpose, which excludes systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Alternatives_to_systemd
Keep in mind that some of the systems listed under the 'process supervisors and service managers' section are capable of dependency management as well.
Of these, I know that dinit, OpenRC, and nosh are capable of wants/needs dependency management, although more of them likely support this.
I personally believe that sysvinit with dependency-based parallel service startup using insserv and startpar can be managed without a 'dependency nightmare', and I would encourage you to explore these options if compatibility is a high priority.
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There is a whole page dedicated to this purpose, which excludes systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Alternatives_to_systemd
Keep in mind that some of the systems listed under the 'process supervisors and service managers' section are capable of dependency management as well.
Of these, I know that dinit, OpenRC, and nosh are capable of wants/needs dependency management, although more of them likely support this.
I personally believe that sysvinit with dependency-based parallel service startup using insserv and startpar can be managed without a 'dependency nightmare', and I would encourage you to explore these options if compatibility is a high priority.
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There is a whole page dedicated to this purpose, which excludes systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Alternatives_to_systemd
Keep in mind that some of the systems listed under the 'process supervisors and service managers' section are capable of dependency management as well.
Of these, I know that dinit, OpenRC, and nosh are capable of wants/needs dependency management, although more of them likely support this.
I personally believe that sysvinit with dependency-based parallel service startup using insserv and startpar can be managed without a 'dependency nightmare', and I would encourage you to explore these options if compatibility is a high priority.
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There is a whole page dedicated to this purpose, which excludes systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Alternatives_to_systemd
Keep in mind that some of the systems listed under the 'process supervisors and service managers' section are capable of dependency management as well.
Of these, I know that dinit, OpenRC, and nosh are capable of wants/needs dependency management, although more of them likely support this.
I personally believe that sysvinit with dependency-based parallel service startup using insserv and startpar can be managed without a 'dependency nightmare', and I would encourage you to explore these options if compatibility is a high priority.
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There is a whole page dedicated to this purpose, which excludes systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Alternatives_to_systemd
Keep in mind that some of the systems listed under the 'process supervisors and service managers' section are capable of dependency management as well.
Of these, I know that dinit, OpenRC, and nosh are capable of wants/needs dependency management, although more of them likely support this.
I personally believe that sysvinit with dependency-based parallel service startup using insserv and startpar can be managed without a 'dependency nightmare', and I would encourage you to explore these options if compatibility is a high priority.
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Any problem in using
systemdthe one every distro is using today?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 7:15
3
@YoMismo I would say there are huge problems about systemd, but they are not on-topic here. :)
– Rui F Ribeiro
Aug 28 '18 at 7:32
@YoMismo I don't want to start a discussion on systemd here, let's just say I'm not comfortable using it and looking for alternatives.
– MOHAMMAD RASIM
Aug 28 '18 at 8:16
What about
openrcgithub.com/OpenRC/openrc ?– YoMismo
Aug 28 '18 at 14:26