Why do BLDC motor (1 kW) controllers have so many MOSFETs?












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I have a 1 kW three-phase BLDC motor from China, and I was developing the controller myself. At 48 Vdc, the maximum current should be about 25 Amps and a peak current of 50 Amps for short durations.



However when I researched BLDC motor controllers, I came across 24-device MOSFET controllers which have four IRFB3607 MOSFETs per phase (4 x 6 = 24).



The IRFB3607 has an Id of 82 Amps at 25 °C and 56 Amps at 100 C. I can't figure out why controllers will be designed with four times the rated current. Keep in mind that these are cheap Chinese controllers.



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    You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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    Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
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    – Peter Karlsen
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    "24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
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    Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
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    Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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I have a 1 kW three-phase BLDC motor from China, and I was developing the controller myself. At 48 Vdc, the maximum current should be about 25 Amps and a peak current of 50 Amps for short durations.



However when I researched BLDC motor controllers, I came across 24-device MOSFET controllers which have four IRFB3607 MOSFETs per phase (4 x 6 = 24).



The IRFB3607 has an Id of 82 Amps at 25 °C and 56 Amps at 100 C. I can't figure out why controllers will be designed with four times the rated current. Keep in mind that these are cheap Chinese controllers.



Any ideas?










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    You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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    – Bimpelrekkie
    17 hours ago






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    Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Karlsen
    16 hours ago






  • 3




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    "24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
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    – winny
    16 hours ago










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    Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Drummond
    6 hours ago










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    Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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    – bwDraco
    1 hour ago
















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I have a 1 kW three-phase BLDC motor from China, and I was developing the controller myself. At 48 Vdc, the maximum current should be about 25 Amps and a peak current of 50 Amps for short durations.



However when I researched BLDC motor controllers, I came across 24-device MOSFET controllers which have four IRFB3607 MOSFETs per phase (4 x 6 = 24).



The IRFB3607 has an Id of 82 Amps at 25 °C and 56 Amps at 100 C. I can't figure out why controllers will be designed with four times the rated current. Keep in mind that these are cheap Chinese controllers.



Any ideas?










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I have a 1 kW three-phase BLDC motor from China, and I was developing the controller myself. At 48 Vdc, the maximum current should be about 25 Amps and a peak current of 50 Amps for short durations.



However when I researched BLDC motor controllers, I came across 24-device MOSFET controllers which have four IRFB3607 MOSFETs per phase (4 x 6 = 24).



The IRFB3607 has an Id of 82 Amps at 25 °C and 56 Amps at 100 C. I can't figure out why controllers will be designed with four times the rated current. Keep in mind that these are cheap Chinese controllers.



Any ideas?







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    You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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    – Bimpelrekkie
    17 hours ago






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    Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Karlsen
    16 hours ago






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    "24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
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    – winny
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    Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Drummond
    6 hours ago










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    Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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    You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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    – Bimpelrekkie
    17 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Karlsen
    16 hours ago






  • 3




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    "24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
    $endgroup$
    – winny
    16 hours ago










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    Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
    $endgroup$
    – Brian Drummond
    6 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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You should include a link to an example of mentioned BLDC controller.
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Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
$endgroup$
– Peter Karlsen
16 hours ago




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Mosfets in parallel will reduce the effective Rds_on. Lower power dissipation in the controller and better efficiency.
$endgroup$
– Peter Karlsen
16 hours ago




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"24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
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– winny
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"24 tube Mosfet controllers" Tube?
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Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
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– Brian Drummond
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Stall current is also likely to be about 10x rated current or about 250A. 4 * 82A per phase sounds quite reasonable.
$endgroup$
– Brian Drummond
6 hours ago












$begingroup$
Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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– bwDraco
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Consider how many MOSFETs are on a typical PC motherboard VRM. A high-end desktop board designed to cope with a heavily-overclocked 16+ core processor pulling upwards of 500W will have eight high-end MOSFETs at minimum, and possibly 12 to 16. When you look at it this way, a motor that can pull nearly 1 kW continuously needs similarly beefy power delivery.
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The reason to use multiple MOSFETs is to lower power dissipation resulting in a cheaper design.



Yes one MOSFET can handle the current but it will dissipate some power as it does have some resistance, typically 9 mohm for the IRFB3607.



At 25 A that means 25 A * 9 m ohm = 225 mV drop



At 25 A that means 25 A * 225 mV = 5.625 W of power dissipation



A heatsink for that would need to be substantial.



Now let's do the same calculation for 4 IRFB3607 in parallel:



Now 9 mohm is divided by 4 because of 4 parallel devices:



9 m ohm / 4 = 2.25 mohm



At 25 A that means 25 A * 2.25 m ohm = 56.25 mV drop



At 25 A that means 25 A * 56.25 mV = 1.41 W of power dissipation



That 1.41 W is for all MOSFETs together so less than 0.4 W per MOSFET which they can handle easily without any extra cooling.



Above calculation does not take into account that the 9 mohm Rdson will increase when the MOSFETs heat up. That makes the single MOSFET solution even more problematic as an even larger heatsink is required. The 4 MOSFET solution might "just manage" as it still has some margin (the 0.4 W could increase to 1 W and that would still be OK).



If 3 MOSFETs are cheaper than one heatsink (for dissipating 6 Watt) then the 4 MOSFET solution is cheaper.



Also production costs might be slightly lower for placing 4 MOSFETS compared to 1 MOSFET + Heatsink as the MOSFET has to be screwed or clamped to the heatsink, that's manual work so adds cost.



An added benefit is that reliability becomes better as those 4 MOSFETs are by far not "worked" as hard as a the single MOSFET.



Could we use a "4x" bigger, 2.25 mohm MOSFET?



Sure, if you can find it ! 9 mohm is quite low already. It gets increasingly difficult (and more expensive) to get lower as the influence of bonding wires comes into play. Also for sure four "middle of the road" MOSFETs are cheaper than one big fat MOSFET.






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    Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
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    @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
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    You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
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    @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
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    @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
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For almost all electrical components, lifetime decreases exponentially with increasing temperature. This is especially true with capacitors, which are found in BLDC motor drivers to decrease electrical noise and high-current peaks.



Let's say that the controller with 4 FETs per phase increased in temperature by 10°C at the rated load. Assuming an ambient temperature of 30°C, the controller would be running at 40°C. At this temperature, even standard-temperature range aluminum electrolytic capacitors could last over 120,000 hours.



If the same controller were to be built with 1 FET per phase instead of 4, the resistance would increase by a factor of 4 and the I^2R losses would also increase by the same amount. With the same heat-sink, the controller would experience 4 times the heating above ambient. It would now be running at 70°C. This would cut the lifetime of the capacitors by around a factor of 10, and would also decrease the life of other components similarly. To counteract this, a larger heatsink would be required, and it would be cheaper (and smaller) to just use more FETs.





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    The reason to use multiple MOSFETs is to lower power dissipation resulting in a cheaper design.



    Yes one MOSFET can handle the current but it will dissipate some power as it does have some resistance, typically 9 mohm for the IRFB3607.



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 9 m ohm = 225 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 225 mV = 5.625 W of power dissipation



    A heatsink for that would need to be substantial.



    Now let's do the same calculation for 4 IRFB3607 in parallel:



    Now 9 mohm is divided by 4 because of 4 parallel devices:



    9 m ohm / 4 = 2.25 mohm



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 2.25 m ohm = 56.25 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 56.25 mV = 1.41 W of power dissipation



    That 1.41 W is for all MOSFETs together so less than 0.4 W per MOSFET which they can handle easily without any extra cooling.



    Above calculation does not take into account that the 9 mohm Rdson will increase when the MOSFETs heat up. That makes the single MOSFET solution even more problematic as an even larger heatsink is required. The 4 MOSFET solution might "just manage" as it still has some margin (the 0.4 W could increase to 1 W and that would still be OK).



    If 3 MOSFETs are cheaper than one heatsink (for dissipating 6 Watt) then the 4 MOSFET solution is cheaper.



    Also production costs might be slightly lower for placing 4 MOSFETS compared to 1 MOSFET + Heatsink as the MOSFET has to be screwed or clamped to the heatsink, that's manual work so adds cost.



    An added benefit is that reliability becomes better as those 4 MOSFETs are by far not "worked" as hard as a the single MOSFET.



    Could we use a "4x" bigger, 2.25 mohm MOSFET?



    Sure, if you can find it ! 9 mohm is quite low already. It gets increasingly difficult (and more expensive) to get lower as the influence of bonding wires comes into play. Also for sure four "middle of the road" MOSFETs are cheaper than one big fat MOSFET.






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      Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
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      – Ian Ringrose
      14 hours ago






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      @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
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      – Chris H
      14 hours ago






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      You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
      $endgroup$
      – W5VO
      13 hours ago






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      @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
      $endgroup$
      – Mołot
      13 hours ago






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      @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
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      – Mołot
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    The reason to use multiple MOSFETs is to lower power dissipation resulting in a cheaper design.



    Yes one MOSFET can handle the current but it will dissipate some power as it does have some resistance, typically 9 mohm for the IRFB3607.



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 9 m ohm = 225 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 225 mV = 5.625 W of power dissipation



    A heatsink for that would need to be substantial.



    Now let's do the same calculation for 4 IRFB3607 in parallel:



    Now 9 mohm is divided by 4 because of 4 parallel devices:



    9 m ohm / 4 = 2.25 mohm



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 2.25 m ohm = 56.25 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 56.25 mV = 1.41 W of power dissipation



    That 1.41 W is for all MOSFETs together so less than 0.4 W per MOSFET which they can handle easily without any extra cooling.



    Above calculation does not take into account that the 9 mohm Rdson will increase when the MOSFETs heat up. That makes the single MOSFET solution even more problematic as an even larger heatsink is required. The 4 MOSFET solution might "just manage" as it still has some margin (the 0.4 W could increase to 1 W and that would still be OK).



    If 3 MOSFETs are cheaper than one heatsink (for dissipating 6 Watt) then the 4 MOSFET solution is cheaper.



    Also production costs might be slightly lower for placing 4 MOSFETS compared to 1 MOSFET + Heatsink as the MOSFET has to be screwed or clamped to the heatsink, that's manual work so adds cost.



    An added benefit is that reliability becomes better as those 4 MOSFETs are by far not "worked" as hard as a the single MOSFET.



    Could we use a "4x" bigger, 2.25 mohm MOSFET?



    Sure, if you can find it ! 9 mohm is quite low already. It gets increasingly difficult (and more expensive) to get lower as the influence of bonding wires comes into play. Also for sure four "middle of the road" MOSFETs are cheaper than one big fat MOSFET.






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    • 3




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      Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
      $endgroup$
      – Ian Ringrose
      14 hours ago






    • 2




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      @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
      $endgroup$
      – Chris H
      14 hours ago






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
      $endgroup$
      – W5VO
      13 hours ago






    • 5




      $begingroup$
      @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
      $endgroup$
      – Mołot
      13 hours ago






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
      $endgroup$
      – Mołot
      12 hours ago














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    $begingroup$

    The reason to use multiple MOSFETs is to lower power dissipation resulting in a cheaper design.



    Yes one MOSFET can handle the current but it will dissipate some power as it does have some resistance, typically 9 mohm for the IRFB3607.



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 9 m ohm = 225 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 225 mV = 5.625 W of power dissipation



    A heatsink for that would need to be substantial.



    Now let's do the same calculation for 4 IRFB3607 in parallel:



    Now 9 mohm is divided by 4 because of 4 parallel devices:



    9 m ohm / 4 = 2.25 mohm



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 2.25 m ohm = 56.25 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 56.25 mV = 1.41 W of power dissipation



    That 1.41 W is for all MOSFETs together so less than 0.4 W per MOSFET which they can handle easily without any extra cooling.



    Above calculation does not take into account that the 9 mohm Rdson will increase when the MOSFETs heat up. That makes the single MOSFET solution even more problematic as an even larger heatsink is required. The 4 MOSFET solution might "just manage" as it still has some margin (the 0.4 W could increase to 1 W and that would still be OK).



    If 3 MOSFETs are cheaper than one heatsink (for dissipating 6 Watt) then the 4 MOSFET solution is cheaper.



    Also production costs might be slightly lower for placing 4 MOSFETS compared to 1 MOSFET + Heatsink as the MOSFET has to be screwed or clamped to the heatsink, that's manual work so adds cost.



    An added benefit is that reliability becomes better as those 4 MOSFETs are by far not "worked" as hard as a the single MOSFET.



    Could we use a "4x" bigger, 2.25 mohm MOSFET?



    Sure, if you can find it ! 9 mohm is quite low already. It gets increasingly difficult (and more expensive) to get lower as the influence of bonding wires comes into play. Also for sure four "middle of the road" MOSFETs are cheaper than one big fat MOSFET.






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    The reason to use multiple MOSFETs is to lower power dissipation resulting in a cheaper design.



    Yes one MOSFET can handle the current but it will dissipate some power as it does have some resistance, typically 9 mohm for the IRFB3607.



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 9 m ohm = 225 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 225 mV = 5.625 W of power dissipation



    A heatsink for that would need to be substantial.



    Now let's do the same calculation for 4 IRFB3607 in parallel:



    Now 9 mohm is divided by 4 because of 4 parallel devices:



    9 m ohm / 4 = 2.25 mohm



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 2.25 m ohm = 56.25 mV drop



    At 25 A that means 25 A * 56.25 mV = 1.41 W of power dissipation



    That 1.41 W is for all MOSFETs together so less than 0.4 W per MOSFET which they can handle easily without any extra cooling.



    Above calculation does not take into account that the 9 mohm Rdson will increase when the MOSFETs heat up. That makes the single MOSFET solution even more problematic as an even larger heatsink is required. The 4 MOSFET solution might "just manage" as it still has some margin (the 0.4 W could increase to 1 W and that would still be OK).



    If 3 MOSFETs are cheaper than one heatsink (for dissipating 6 Watt) then the 4 MOSFET solution is cheaper.



    Also production costs might be slightly lower for placing 4 MOSFETS compared to 1 MOSFET + Heatsink as the MOSFET has to be screwed or clamped to the heatsink, that's manual work so adds cost.



    An added benefit is that reliability becomes better as those 4 MOSFETs are by far not "worked" as hard as a the single MOSFET.



    Could we use a "4x" bigger, 2.25 mohm MOSFET?



    Sure, if you can find it ! 9 mohm is quite low already. It gets increasingly difficult (and more expensive) to get lower as the influence of bonding wires comes into play. Also for sure four "middle of the road" MOSFETs are cheaper than one big fat MOSFET.







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      Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
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      – Ian Ringrose
      14 hours ago






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      @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
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      – Chris H
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      You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
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      @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
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      – Mołot
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      @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
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      $begingroup$
      Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
      $endgroup$
      – Ian Ringrose
      14 hours ago






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
      $endgroup$
      – Chris H
      14 hours ago






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
      $endgroup$
      – W5VO
      13 hours ago






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      $begingroup$
      @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
      $endgroup$
      – Mołot
      13 hours ago






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
      $endgroup$
      – Mołot
      12 hours ago








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    Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
    $endgroup$
    – Ian Ringrose
    14 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Also a saving on the cost of electricity over the lifetime of the system.
    $endgroup$
    – Ian Ringrose
    14 hours ago




    2




    2




    $begingroup$
    @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
    $endgroup$
    – Chris H
    14 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @IanRingrose I doubt the designer cares much about that because they don't pay the electricity bill
    $endgroup$
    – Chris H
    14 hours ago




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    2




    $begingroup$
    You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    13 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    You also get more passive cooling from having the power dissipated spread over a larger area (4 parts and their required board space)
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    13 hours ago




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    5




    $begingroup$
    @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
    $endgroup$
    – Mołot
    13 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @ChrisH but buyer pays electricity bill, and designer cares about his design to sell well. Or at least should care...
    $endgroup$
    – Mołot
    13 hours ago




    2




    2




    $begingroup$
    @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
    $endgroup$
    – Mołot
    12 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @ChrisH going "green" and educing carbon footprint is fashionable now, so marketing departments of such companies are more and more interested indeed - even if percentage is quite low, it increases. Similar for private users. Don't have any statistics. From my point of view this trend is visible, even if it's negligible overall.
    $endgroup$
    – Mołot
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    For almost all electrical components, lifetime decreases exponentially with increasing temperature. This is especially true with capacitors, which are found in BLDC motor drivers to decrease electrical noise and high-current peaks.



    Let's say that the controller with 4 FETs per phase increased in temperature by 10°C at the rated load. Assuming an ambient temperature of 30°C, the controller would be running at 40°C. At this temperature, even standard-temperature range aluminum electrolytic capacitors could last over 120,000 hours.



    If the same controller were to be built with 1 FET per phase instead of 4, the resistance would increase by a factor of 4 and the I^2R losses would also increase by the same amount. With the same heat-sink, the controller would experience 4 times the heating above ambient. It would now be running at 70°C. This would cut the lifetime of the capacitors by around a factor of 10, and would also decrease the life of other components similarly. To counteract this, a larger heatsink would be required, and it would be cheaper (and smaller) to just use more FETs.





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      For almost all electrical components, lifetime decreases exponentially with increasing temperature. This is especially true with capacitors, which are found in BLDC motor drivers to decrease electrical noise and high-current peaks.



      Let's say that the controller with 4 FETs per phase increased in temperature by 10°C at the rated load. Assuming an ambient temperature of 30°C, the controller would be running at 40°C. At this temperature, even standard-temperature range aluminum electrolytic capacitors could last over 120,000 hours.



      If the same controller were to be built with 1 FET per phase instead of 4, the resistance would increase by a factor of 4 and the I^2R losses would also increase by the same amount. With the same heat-sink, the controller would experience 4 times the heating above ambient. It would now be running at 70°C. This would cut the lifetime of the capacitors by around a factor of 10, and would also decrease the life of other components similarly. To counteract this, a larger heatsink would be required, and it would be cheaper (and smaller) to just use more FETs.





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        $begingroup$

        For almost all electrical components, lifetime decreases exponentially with increasing temperature. This is especially true with capacitors, which are found in BLDC motor drivers to decrease electrical noise and high-current peaks.



        Let's say that the controller with 4 FETs per phase increased in temperature by 10°C at the rated load. Assuming an ambient temperature of 30°C, the controller would be running at 40°C. At this temperature, even standard-temperature range aluminum electrolytic capacitors could last over 120,000 hours.



        If the same controller were to be built with 1 FET per phase instead of 4, the resistance would increase by a factor of 4 and the I^2R losses would also increase by the same amount. With the same heat-sink, the controller would experience 4 times the heating above ambient. It would now be running at 70°C. This would cut the lifetime of the capacitors by around a factor of 10, and would also decrease the life of other components similarly. To counteract this, a larger heatsink would be required, and it would be cheaper (and smaller) to just use more FETs.





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        For almost all electrical components, lifetime decreases exponentially with increasing temperature. This is especially true with capacitors, which are found in BLDC motor drivers to decrease electrical noise and high-current peaks.



        Let's say that the controller with 4 FETs per phase increased in temperature by 10°C at the rated load. Assuming an ambient temperature of 30°C, the controller would be running at 40°C. At this temperature, even standard-temperature range aluminum electrolytic capacitors could last over 120,000 hours.



        If the same controller were to be built with 1 FET per phase instead of 4, the resistance would increase by a factor of 4 and the I^2R losses would also increase by the same amount. With the same heat-sink, the controller would experience 4 times the heating above ambient. It would now be running at 70°C. This would cut the lifetime of the capacitors by around a factor of 10, and would also decrease the life of other components similarly. To counteract this, a larger heatsink would be required, and it would be cheaper (and smaller) to just use more FETs.






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